LBlack14

Really, where have I posted ANYHTING that dehumanized anyone?. I don't think you even understand what the term means. I'll summarize it for you : using language or actions that make or treat someone as without humanity {and all the rights therein} or less than another full human {and with less rights than therein}. Saying people are assholes, bigots, out-of-touch, heartless, evil, and lots of other things may not be nice, polite, or something you agree with. But it is by definition- not- dehumanizing them.

**YOU're one of the people here going around calling people " IT " ** . You do realize that "it" is by definition a term that is never used to describe.... PEOPLE.

You do know if your kid goes around behaving that way at their university they will be kicked out by the Dean of Students faster than you can blink, right? {Other than perhaps Bob Jones U or Liberty U]

    rsvman2

    which is why i asked point blank when he posted it, (the hat image) if he literally missed some of the worst aspects of America in the mid 20th century, because a lot of what has changed since then .... is attempts to remove or improve those things. And tied in with the fact that the hat is made by a far right extremist merch website, and uses the thin blue line imagery .... well.... it is LIKELY that most people buying it , and proudly wearing it, are expressly doing so because they align with the nostalgic white nationalist zeitgeist of part of our society . Was it provocative to implicitly accuse him of such beliefs? Sure. But those beliefs align with the other condescendingly dehumanizing and bigoted content he has posted. OF course, he posted it to begin with in a thread that said "no politics". Whether he is a bigot, had bigoted intentions, knew the hat's origins or whatever.... it didn't belong in the thread to begin with and was intentionally provocative on his part as well. I really resent that NOBODY has any concerns over that.

      Ack8236

      I never said I actually thought anyone here was a KKK member or participated in the Jan 6th treason. My point was they'd have more "takers" of that hat as giveaway items at those 2 meetings than the other 2 meetings. Or at least I'd bet my life savings they would. The question they refuse to answer... is WHY would they find more takers there?

        garyt1957

        That would still be more change than you're making.
        shrug

        But thanks for admitting this place needs it.

        The first step in fixing the problem is admitting there's a problem .

          Please.

          Just. Stop. Responding.

          Notice how this works, always? If we don't allow it the time to entertain, it doesn't come out of the hole. It's like that furry little critter in early Feb. People show up, give it a stage, and it comes out of its hole for 10 minutes. People turn away, go back home, creature goes back into its hole.

          It works. Requires a little discipline, but shit eventually takes the waterslide into the sewer. So just don't respond! It's worked for me!

          And if it will work for me, it can work for anybody.

            I will say again that he is often not wrong, in terms of the things he is talking about. There definitely has been way too much discrimination in the past in this country and there still is today. I don't like the unnecessarily inflammatory and aggressive nature of the way he tries to make his points, but like don't disagree with most of the actual underlying message.

            I think there is an element of trolling here, but not all of his posts are trolling. I am ok with him sticking around. It would be better if he toned it down a bit. Maybe if we ask nicely..... 🤷‍♂️

              rsvman2 I agree. I actually agree with a lot of what he says too. This just isn't the place for it. There's a Water Hazard for that stuff. Calling out people in non political type threads is just wrong, especially when he makes great leaps to call somebody a racist, etc.

                  If the "ist" fits... There are a lot of things posted here that would be considered offensive and some type of "ist" in a more public and diverse setting. Almost all of the time it just slides through. Once in awhile someone calls out something, but it gets washed over and even "liked" because many here find it "funny". Easy to get away with in this teeny tiny demographic.
                  Easy to find things "funny", when it's directed at someone else or a different group. Not so funny when it hits home, as was noted with the recent "retard" use, although that didn't get very much attention or sympathy. If I said some of these things at work, I'd be sitting in HR for awhile, or at home on "vacation". Just an observation.

                    garyt1957

                    I'm still waiting for anyone in the 60-70 year old range (give or take) here to chime in what they miss about "the America they grew up in" . What from 1955 to 1970 or so is gone that is worth missing? I'm genuinely curious, please prove me wrong. Other than NASA doing stuff, and housing being affordable on a single salary, I'm really struggling to see much missing that would appeal to ME. Granted, my knowledge comes from history books, documentaries, music, movies, TV, etc.

                        UnholyDefenestrator78 What from 1955 to 1970 or so is gone that is worth missing?

                        Might be trivial, but walking 4 blocks to elementary school and not having my parents (or me) worrying about my safety.... and then about a mile to junior high. Also, not having to do active shooter drills in those schools.
                        Just a few that come to mind quickly.

                          UnholyDefenestrator78 I'm really struggling to see much missing that would appeal to ME. Granted, my knowledge comes from history books, documentaries, music, movies, TV, etc.

                          Without having lived in those times, it might be difficult for you to relate to what we experienced.

                              sdandrea1

                              sdandrea1 I miss it too Rex. I miss people being accountable and respectful. I miss old fashioned courtesy. I miss people putting others before themselves. I miss kids obeying their parents and teachers. I miss cheap gas. I miss athletes raising their hand when a ref threw a flag

                              You indeed post this. I thought I had replied to it honestly.
                              I can see some of those, but I can see part of them being a localized/power-privilege/your experience not a universally American experience.

                              For example, concerning respect and courtesy:

                              or

                              For example, people putting others before themselves
                              https://www.history.com/news/interstate-highway-system-infrastructure-construction-segregation

                              According to Archer, highway engineers came to think of “killing two birds with one stone” to “improve traffic conditions and remove undesirable populations.

                              race not important to you? maybe you have daughters or granddaughters?
                              Remember what was legal in the USA until the 1970s?
                              Oregon v. Rideout helped end it.

                              Yes, I am referring to marital/spousal RAPE being LEGAL during the time you grew up.

                              OK, your dad wasn't a rapist, that's great. Many were. And even those who weren't rapists... might have been encouraged to pursue this sort of "behavioral therapy" on their wives. I mean hell, it was even glorified as comedy in the movies.

                              And speaking of movies, we won't get into the whole avenue of blackface/redface/etc .... will we...?

                              One last thing, if racism and sexism and rape and wife-beating don't bother you,
                              do you really miss THIS

                              HOW???? Really? You can't miss .... THAT can you?

                              Concerning kids behaving and respect,
                              how much was because THIS was allowed ?

                              Concerning cheap gas,
                              that was a direct consequence of : growing the military industrial complex to prop up and protect our puppets installed via Operation Ajax in the Iranian Coup, the house of Saud through its tumult, etc. When you see the backlash and oppression these issues created as a consequence, it sure seems like a thinking of and putting of "me" first and not of "everyone else". Imagine being a woman in Iran since the Revolution, etc. Sure you were a kid and didn't cause those issues, but romanticizing about the price while ignoring its actual externalities upon everyone else seems contrary to one of the very things you say is now "missing". ?

                              Speaking of the military industrial complex and things that should NOT be missed, how about (and I won't post them out of decorum) photos of for example the burning napalmed girl in Vietnam? or the Mai Lay massacre? etc? Do you really miss blunt warfare conducted with minimal to no concern for collateral damage? That is in no way meant to demean the heroic service of many soldiers who were doing their duty, even when mandated (draft) not volunteering. But it was arguably the last of the (USA involved) horrifically brutal brute force war efforts (modern warfare as horrific as it is, being much more tactical and surgical for both the aggressor and the target) .

                              I'll be the first to admit that yes I intentionally posted some rather provocative comments in response to "THE HAT" , because , as I just said, I learned about this time from books, documentaries, cultural media, and last but not least, 2nd hand stories. Did every person alive then experience ALL (or any) of the terrible things I just posted above? No , of course not. But my questions is--- if you did experience these things, you really miss them? and if you didn't experience them, then realize the America you grew up in is not the america EVERYONE grew up in. What was great for you came at the expense of many others. THAT last bit is really my key issue with the hat. Ignoring or taking that part for granted. Worse- if you don't ignore it, but proudly celebrate and brag that your life was awesome while knowing that it only was so because it hurt other people for it to be awesome, but that's a story for another thread. All I will say is that there are 2 groups in the USA today that hold significant political power; one tries to expand rights, the other tries to rescind rights. And we seem to be set very tribally into those 2 specific groups, the only country in the world really doing so, I guess the USA is exceptional at something after all.

                              That's enough for now.

                              I'll wait for more comments telling me that I'm an uneducated paid troll who should just kill "itself" since I'm only here to ruin your day.

                              /PS one thing you absolutely did have better back then than now. You could teach all those things in history class in any state, IF your school / district approved it. In 2024 many states, as you know, it will likely be illegal to even teach that slavery existed !

                                    sdandrea1

                                    just like for you it might be difficult to relate to what I (and many others) still experience to this day that in no way has ever negatively impacted you in your daily life--------- but is traumatic and painful in ours?

                                        UnholyDefenestrator78

                                        All of that was shameful. Horrible. I was just describing what I miss. Because there are things I miss about that time of my life doesn't mean I dismissed what was going on racially.