33 degree 9 iron

DonM

Titleist T400
Ok then. Every time I think we've seen the lower limits on loft.
https://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/irons/t400

Spuzz

DonM

shokosugi

Not surprising as everything is trending this way. As these are basically two clubs stronger vs traditional lofts, its really no different than one of the concepts behind single length clubs - basically the old school 5 iron is at 7 iron length. I'll be curious in another 20 years will the lofts keep trending in this direction? If so we'll be reduced to a set with 6+ wedges lol

Sarnella

Good Grief - I'm carrying 4 wedges now.

shokosugi

Sarnella

Future set, 2040, Titliest T9000...Say goodbye to long irons
7 iron - 20 deg, 8 iron - 23 deg, 9 iron-26 deg, PW - 30-deg, W1 - 35deg, W2 - 40 deg, , W3 - 45deg, W4 - 50 deg, W5 - 55 deg, LW - 60

DonM

shokosugi
That'd be great for me, because I can't hit long irons!
Am I right?

Par4QC

DonM You can't hit long irons, or you can't hit low lofted irons??? Big difference there.

Sparky

Yeah, but just remember....advanced technology, higher ball speed with higher launch, extreme mega forgiveness, tour proven, SPEEDFOAM!

Par4QC

I'd like to know the head weight for those irons.

Why swing a lighter head at a shorter length, like most new sets are? Not how we were taught, but seem to be buying into it.

sdandrea1

I may just go back to playing PING Eye 2 irons. Those lofts made sense and the gaping is nice.

Rickochet

This discussion about lofts reminds me of a story from years ago. I was on an overnight biz trip and went to the Pizza Hut next to my motel for dinner. I ordered a pizza to go and had a beer while it cooked. When it was ready the dude asked me if I wanted it sliced into six pieces or 8. I told him to slice it into 6 pieces because I can't eat 8. He got a puzzled look and cut it accordingly. I guess it's all about numbers.

Tinker

Got to go back to old names. Mashie, niblick, spoon and so on

scotts33

Tinker Got to go back to old names. Mashie, niblick, spoon and so on

Brassie – serves as both a driver and fairway wood, about 13-14 degrees loft
Mid-Iron – for long iron shots, about 25-27 degrees loft
Mashie – for approach shots, about 34-36 degrees loft
Mashie Niblick – short approach and pitch shots, about 43-47 degrees loft)
Niblick – lofted for bunker and pitch shots, 52 -57 degrees loft
Putter – for putting and maybe defending yourself

Typhoon

After hitting the Mavrik irons and reading all the discussions I’m at the point where it’s whatever clubs are going to make me both longer and more accurate. If I have a 7 iron that is the length of my PW, goes 200 yards and is deadly accurate because of shaft length... that’s fine with me. We can all figure out the gapping. I’m not pulling out my Karsten 1 irons from 1976... that is not going to lower my score and make it more fun.

DonM

Typhoon
I agree. But I can't see any point in the T400 lofts. Supposedly they are targeted at slow swinging seniors. So, give them some loft and launch.

I compare these to my Adams hybrids. I have a 28 degree 6 hybrid, 38.5". It really doesn't go any farther than a 28 degree iron, just higher. And I know it's as hot as any iron. By making it 28 at 38.5", there is some great launch and spin. I'm still waiting for hot irons made like that. Not a T400 29 at 36.5". Two inches shorter, that's a fail in my book.

fatshot

DonM I compare these to my Adams hybrids. I have a 28 degree 6 hybrid, 38.5". It really doesn't go any farther than a 28 degree iron, just higher.

I have the same club, or at least something similar to it (Adams Idea Tech V3 with Mitsubishi Bassara shaft, Senior flex), and it has been a helluva club for me! It used to be my 150 club; now it's my 140, but it is MUCH easier for me to hit than a six iron, gets great trajectory, and I hit a lot of greens with it! I liked it so much that I found the matching 5 hybrid on Ebay and that too is very reliable!!

Typhoon

Have you hit the T400 29 at that length? The point I’m making is I welcome the shorter length irons covering more distance because I’m going to be more accurate from that distance now.

sdandrea1

Typhoon The point I’m making is I welcome the shorter length irons covering more distance because I’m going to be more accurate from that distance now.

John, you have superior swing speed when compared to many of us. That kind of skews your view as you will get more out of some of these modern designs than we will.

scotts33

sdandrea1 John, you have superior swing speed when compared to many of us. That kind of skews your view as you will get more out of some of these modern designs than we will.

+! that is exactly it Steve. I was going to post the same. This is why many of us dislike single length irons/hybrids as we don't have the club head speed to use a 8i playing length on a 5i 27 deg. loft. You and I are more alike. Our mid-iron 68 -69 mph and guys with 85 mph mid-iron are going to agree with John.

sdandrea1

scotts33 +! that is exactly it Steve. I was going to post the same. This is why many of us dislike single length irons/hybrids as we don't have the club head speed to use a 8i playing length on a 5i 27 deg. loft. You and I are more alike. Our mid-iron 68 -69 mph and guys with 85 mph mid-iron are going to agree with John.

Probably why the older and slower I get, the more weaker lofts appeal to me.

Typhoon

I thought you guys would see the same “2 club gain” that I would see but of course different yardage numbers.

So you guys hitting a new 8 iron don’t hit it 15 yards further and more accurate than your 8 iron from 6 years ago? I see where I know the clubs can be designed with shorter lengths, lifts. different weighting and moi but I would figure it would benefit everyone on their own scale.

Steve, how do the new Mavrik compare to something from 2014 for you?

I’m sorry, I really thought most game improvement clubs were really more focused on the average swing speeds like you guys have. You guys make up the majority.

sdandrea1

Typhoon Steve, how do the new Mavrik compare to something from 2014 for you?

Keep in mind that I use a hybrid in the 31 degree club, so I bought only the 8, 9, W, AW in the Mavrik Max. So that is 34, 38, 43 and 48 lofts. The AW is the same as an old spec PW so they are basically about one club stronger. Distance-wise, I hit the PW about 100 carry, the AW about 85 carry. This is about the same as I hit an Eye 2 9i and W. It's like they just changed the number on the sole. One club gain in sole number only - the Eye 2 W is 50 degrees, so................

Par4QC

Typhoon “2 club gain”

There is no gain for slower swingers. Fact. My Rogues go no farther than my Infiniti's that are 2-4 * weaker. No matter the shafts I've had in either. No matter the length I built them to. They are just prettier. It's all I care about. 😂

Typhoon different weighting

There may be different weighting, as claimed by mfrs., around the perimeter, but if you weigh the head itself, you'll find out they are the same weight as the long iron heads of the same loft from 10 years ago. So, you are swinging a lighter head, at a shorter length. I don't understand how anyone could get 15 yds. more with that setup. You'll say you can swing faster because it's lighter, but the shorter a club is, the slower you'll swing it. Maybe I'm a drunk and don't realize it, because I'm not understanding any of it. I'll report back tomorrow night. I just reshafted the Rogues +1", to get them back to 'old school' lofts/lengths. Lie angles may need changed, but for now they will do.