Rickochet I just use the mower and am done with it. I did have to rake 1 time, ending up with 4 bags. All leaves come from the neighbors' trees which are getting to be dangerous; overhanging not just my drive, but the yard. The guy to the west of me has some ungawdly trees that do nothing but shed year round. The whole neighborhood does nothing but rake, seemingly 24/7 during Oct./Nov.. Bags are lined up at every house on pickup day. Not mine. A lot of idiots in this 'hood. Then, all summer, they pay to have their lawns fertilized, after paying the city to haul away the free fertilizer in the fall. Did I mention they are all idiots? ๐