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  • Reed claims Spieth didn't want to be paired with him in RC.

PA-PLAYA The revelation in all of this is that Jordan is just as 'needy' as Bubba is.

Agree.
It looks to me like neither Spieth nor Bubba want to look like shit out on the course without their own personal assistant with them to prop them up.
That handicaps the Captain for sure, although Furyk could have helped himself by picking other people that fit with the group.
for ex:
Fowler and Phil are buddies. (not paired)
Fowler and Bubba are buddies I think (not paired)
Thomas and Tiger are buddies (not paired)
Bryson and Tiger are buddies (not paired)

As for Reed, I think part of his issue was that he wasn't told who he was playing with until he got there in spite of what Spieth and Furyk were saying. Group decisions were made as they said, but when?

Bjorn's pairings for Day 1 (morn and afternoon) were known well in advance and were not going to change regardless of outcome. His players were prepared in advance.
Big difference.
JMO

      Spuzz

      Bjorn could've waited until Friday morning, 20 minutes before the start, put 8 names in a hat and had the players pick their partners by random draw. He could've done that for all 5 sessions and it wouldn't have mattered, the result would've been the same.

          PA-PLAYA
          Agree.
          I was pointing out that there is more going on below the surface than above.
          Reed has his issues, but hiding behind others and playing nice to avoid a confrontation aren't two of them, so I believe him when he says Spieth had it in for him.
          However, he should have saved it for later.

              Spuzz

              It's easy to not like Patrick Reed. Complicated past with his college golf career cheating allegations, complicated relationship with his parents who he's estranged from. He's never been the media's darling.

              But I think if we're to turn this Ryder Cup thing around, it starts with players being honest. And not several months later, after the fact.

                Reed could be right. Jordan had been stinking up the courses. He needed someone to carry him in the RC and knew that Thomas would be the one for that. Worked for him.


                Spuzz I guess it started when Reed's wife was asked by a reporter why Patrick wasn't paired with Speith. Her response was to Ask Speith why he didn't wish to be paired with Reed. Probably had she just not responded the way she did we would not be talking about it. Guess she was trying to explain that it was not Patrick's idea...My thought is that the USA side has too many prima donna's on it. Maybe we need a Captain who is not, nor has ever been a pro golfer. Someone not influenced by the "pecking order" and ego of these individuals. - I vote for Ditka...

                    PA-PLAYA

                    PA-PLAYA Tiger and Phil are on PPV over Thanksgiving! So they have that going for them.

                    Man, did that take a hit over the weekend or what?

                          I don't really get the Reed/Spieth thing. First we're talking about Capt.s putting good teams together and not mismatches like Tiger/Phil. So Spieth and JT are friends and they won their matches, seems like a good pairing. Would Reed/Spieth have done better? Not likely, 3-1 is pretty good. Would Tiger/JT have done better? Maybe, but I doubt it really has an effect on the final standings.
                          As for Phil in the alternate shot on Friday, that was a bad move but I'll bet Furyk wasn't going to play Phil at all but when the US went 3-1 in the morning matches Furyk got cocky and figured he could afford to throw Phil out there. That didn't go well.


                          Ringoblack

                          The issue , according to those who have analysed it, is that too often the US team players are high maintenance and too divisive which prevents the Captain from making certain player pairings and to the detriment of the team. Egos and personalities get in the way of what is best for the team. Meanwhile, the Euro squad appears to be one big happy family and every pair sent out looks like two best friends with a unified goal. The best example historically has been Tiger....in the past he would only play with and could only ever be matched up with a certain few. His RC cup record when paired up is abysmal and having to coddle him deterred from the US success, IMO. Tiger has only ever been on 1 winning RC team in what 8 tries and i think that one was a final day comeback victory by the US. going into RC we see all thie pre analysis with the US squad about who will and should be paired up together but much less so for the Euro team. Its like the US cant pair certain players together because it simply wont work , but it doesnt matter who the Euros pair up. No egos on the Euro side , maybe Rory a bit, but all the me in them is put aside for the week and its WE.

                          As for Reed, good for him to speak up, much like Phil did when Watson kis managed matters. sure it will cause those who already dislike him to have more ammo to do that, but when a team that was described as the best and strongest RC team to EVER be assembled on either side is so soundly beaten , i mean they were destroyed.....there is something terribly wrong inside that room and we are seeing glimpses of that with koepka nd DJ having gotten into a very thatening and heated argument to be pulled apart from each other. Dysfunctional is too kind a word to describe the US team.

                              Ringoblack

                              Some American players seem to throw each other under the bus after a loss - blame game. Some folks, including me, think it's more classy to lose as a team. The American LPGA players seem to bond more like the Euros. Reed can come across as kind of a dick, sometimes. I only know his TV persona.

                                Justine Reed answered a twitter conversation on Saturday afternoon that was asking why Patrick was set down both foursomes matches and why he wasn't paired again with Spieth after they had so much success together 2 years ago. She answered 'ask Jordan' but should have said 'you should ask Jim'. That kind of set off a firestorm and led to the follow up questions at the presser...As far as I know, this was the first peek into dissention in our locker room even before Sunday's single matches.

                                Then Koepka and Johnson had words at the Euro's celebration party. EGOs at work here.

                                I read another analysis that related Americans success in majors to poor results in team events at the RC. The author tried to tie it to our culture.

                                I think Reed has issues. When he did not get relief this year for a drop, he said, "I guess it would be Ok if my name was Jordan..." very immature. He was kicked off his team in college (cheating and stealing)and his teammates hated him. At his next team (Augusta State), he was again accused of cheating and stealing and was alienated from his teammates. I would think twice if he became a captain's pick.

                                  GLFTPS I think Reed has issues.

                                  The college stuff is just that...kid stuff.
                                  It's irrelevant today and has been discussed ad nauseum.

                                  Let's reverse the roles.
                                  Should an 0-6 in singles guy be dictating anything, let alone whom he doesn't want to play with?
                                  Maybe the biggest dick on the team is the media darling and we will never hear of it.

                                  As a side note, anybody notice Rickie Fowler smile at all the whole weekend?
                                  That's a telling sign when a social butterfly loses his colours.

                                    garyt1957

                                    Yeah. Sure did.

                                    It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV deal gets scrubbed and it's made available on GC for free.

                                        Spuzz It should be scrubbed and replaced with Spieth vs.Reed in light of recent events.

                                        This, I like.

                                          Weirfan

                                          What's the over/under with news coming out in the next few weeks of DJ having hit on Koepka's girlfriend?

                                          Wouldn't be the first time it's happened with him.