Reed claims Spieth didn't want to be paired with him in RC.

PA-PLAYA · 2018-10-01T21:27:22+00:00

More proof why Europe just continues to win. It's like we've learned nothing from the 2014 debacle. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/ryder-cup-201...

raggmann54

Reed has a point, or 2...I guess Speith wanted to play with his buddy, Justin Thomas and not Reed. I thought that Tiger and Bryson would be paired together not Tiger and Reed; and, putting Bryson with Phil was a hugh mistake.

ZWExton

Geez, Reed seems like a clown here. How can you simultaneously appreciate the teamwork and lack of ego on the European team and then say it was a mistake to not play him more? This sounds like an NBA player whining about how much better the team would be if he was a starter.

He could even be right, but it's wrong to bring it up like this, no? Reed isn't the captain. The loss isn't on him. Plenty of writers would bring this up, he didn't have to.

He could have said, "You know, there are things we might have done differently, but what can you do? Maybe we would have done better, maybe worse. We made decisions we felt good about as a team at the time, and we have to live with them. I can promise you that we didn't come over here to lose, but the other guys want to win too. This weekend, they did."

Reed is enjoying the smell of himself a little bit too much.

rsvman

He sucked it up in the fourball with Tiger. He was flat-out bad. Didn't hit a single fairway until something like the 13th or 14th hole.

Typhoon

Reed wasn't playing well

Tiger was not playing well and at least he had the decency to say he'd take the blame for the loss on his poor play.

Reed thinks he shits ice cream...maybe he'll learn someday.

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Reed is 6-1-2 in Ryder Cup play. What he said won't sit well with the "keep it in the team room" crowd, but I'm inclined to believe him nevertheless. The revelation in all of this is that Jordan is just as 'needy' as Bubba is. "I gotta play with so-and-so." yadda yadda yadda. It's like a broken record. Hey, how about you just play your game regardless of who you're paired with, just like our opponents do?

Step up to the plate, golf your ball.

That's what the European's do. And that's why they own us.

Spuzz

PA-PLAYA The revelation in all of this is that Jordan is just as 'needy' as Bubba is.

Agree.
It looks to me like neither Spieth nor Bubba want to look like shit out on the course without their own personal assistant with them to prop them up.
That handicaps the Captain for sure, although Furyk could have helped himself by picking other people that fit with the group.
for ex:
Fowler and Phil are buddies. (not paired)
Fowler and Bubba are buddies I think (not paired)
Thomas and Tiger are buddies (not paired)
Bryson and Tiger are buddies (not paired)

As for Reed, I think part of his issue was that he wasn't told who he was playing with until he got there in spite of what Spieth and Furyk were saying. Group decisions were made as they said, but when?

Bjorn's pairings for Day 1 (morn and afternoon) were known well in advance and were not going to change regardless of outcome. His players were prepared in advance.
Big difference.
JMO

sdandrea1

We looked bad from day 1 and the drama continues. The Euros are just better at this format, mostly in spirit and teamwork.

Weirfan

sdandrea1 We looked bad from day 1 and the drama continues. The Euros are just better at this format, mostly in spirit and teamwork.

not really , they were up 3-1 after the first day morning session...then Furyk threw out some odd pairings....but nonetheless, the players played like shite from Noon Friday onwards, except JT and Finau

Tinker

Reed is one of the guys that make you root for Europe. The pairings or captains didn’t matter, the course ate up the Americans.

sdandrea1

I don't like when our guys throw coaches and each other under the bus after a loss. We should win as a team and lose as a team. I think it was Phil who verbally punished Tom Watson a few years back.

johnnydoom

Reed seems to enjoy the bad boy role, but he needs to grow up and play golf.

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When guys get thrown under the bus, be it captains or players, it just points to a much deeper issue.... The overwhelming presence of ego, or the underwhelming sense of purpose.

Perhaps it's time for American golf fans to recognize that this event means more to our opponents than it does our own players. How else could you explain Paul Casey giving up 40 yards off the tee, yet digging deep and halving his match with Koepka Sunday... Or someone like Ian Poulter closing his match out against Dustin Johnson on the 16th hole with a 2-up win Sunday?

We shit our britches. When faced with sink or swim - most decided to sink.

We suck at team golf. And in this "look at me and all of the money I have earned and all I have accomplished" world we live in today, it's just as true today as it was 25 years ago. European players couldn't give less than two shits about what majors you've won, how much money you've earned. Let's tee it up.

That's what it ultimately comes down to.

sdandrea1

Weirfan

Ok, Day 1, second half.

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Weirfan

the captain does have some influence. mostly with his picks. Furyk picked Tiger and Phil because he basically didn't want to be "that guy" who snubbed two of the greatest players in the modern era, despite their woeful RC history. But someone has to be "that guy" who says sorry, you aren't good enough to represent this team in this event any longer. Stricker, I'm afraid will be much of the same. He'll pick Tiger and Phil if they're physically capable of swinging a club.

Just seems like we've put ourselves in a box and are bound to "veteran" leadership, despite the playing records of those "veterans" that have sorely underperformed.

What's the old saying about doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result?

Finau played great. Bryson was never given a chance really, given the disastrous pairings the first two days. We knew Woods and Mickelson would be picked, and we knew Mickelson wasn't playing well. And we knew Tiger's record in this event.

And we knew they needed to step up, and they did not, yet again. Surprise, surprise....

But!!!!!

Tiger and Phil are on PPV over Thanksgiving! So they have that going for them.

garyt1957

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PA-PLAYA Tiger and Phil are on PPV over Thanksgiving! So they have that going for them.

Man, did that take a hit over the weekend or what?

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Spuzz

Bjorn could've waited until Friday morning, 20 minutes before the start, put 8 names in a hat and had the players pick their partners by random draw. He could've done that for all 5 sessions and it wouldn't have mattered, the result would've been the same.

Spuzz

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Agree.
I was pointing out that there is more going on below the surface than above.
Reed has his issues, but hiding behind others and playing nice to avoid a confrontation aren't two of them, so I believe him when he says Spieth had it in for him.
However, he should have saved it for later.

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Spuzz

It's easy to not like Patrick Reed. Complicated past with his college golf career cheating allegations, complicated relationship with his parents who he's estranged from. He's never been the media's darling.

But I think if we're to turn this Ryder Cup thing around, it starts with players being honest. And not several months later, after the fact.

raggmann54

Spuzz I guess it started when Reed's wife was asked by a reporter why Patrick wasn't paired with Speith. Her response was to Ask Speith why he didn't wish to be paired with Reed. Probably had she just not responded the way she did we would not be talking about it. Guess she was trying to explain that it was not Patrick's idea...My thought is that the USA side has too many prima donna's on it. Maybe we need a Captain who is not, nor has ever been a pro golfer. Someone not influenced by the "pecking order" and ego of these individuals. - I vote for Ditka...

Par4QC

Reed could be right. Jordan had been stinking up the courses. He needed someone to carry him in the RC and knew that Thomas would be the one for that. Worked for him.

Spuzz

raggmann54 I vote for Ditka

My vote is Charles Barkley.

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garyt1957

Yeah. Sure did.

It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV deal gets scrubbed and it's made available on GC for free.