Colin Kaepernick
Sneakylong Also, it needs to be repeated that Kaepernick consulted with a Navy Seal on how to honor / protest fellow young unarmed black men killed by police officers without offending the military. The Navy Seal told him that they honor fellow fallen Seals by taking a knee.
He was told that after SITTING on the bench for the Anthem in a number of games.
As someone else said, this IS a free country and you can choose what you want to do during the Anthem, on your own time. When being paid to wear a uniform, you should present yourself as your employer requests or pay the consequences. The 49er's and the NFL should have dealt with it swiftly when it first arose. I would certainly face discipline for doing that while at work.
I seem to remember the NFL being all over a player for kneeling and saying a prayer after the game was over. I also find it interesting that when no cameras were around, like this past off-season, none of the NFL protesters were in the "hood" trying to make things better for anyone. And CK getting some kind of "person of the year" award for his "courage" while T.J. Watt was ignored, even after he helped to raise $37 million for disaster relief for his community - what hypocrites.
Didn’t John Elway come out and say he offered Cap a job and he turned it down? So I’d say he did have at least one chance but truly wanted to be the maurder????
colej Didn’t John Elway come out and say he offered Cap a job and he turned it down? So I’d say he did have at least one chance but truly wanted to be the maurder????
Elway and the Broncos did offer but it would have been a pay cut I believe because of San Francisco's contract with CK. SF didn't have to cover the shortfall because CK asked to be released and Elway gave these details in a sworn deposition in CK's anti-trust lawsuit against the NFL.
Also in CK's defense, he pledged $1M to charity and by all indications I could find, he met it. One of the programs he started was a clothes bank for those without the means to buy nice new clothes needed to interview for jobs. Colin doesn't seek any publicity for his charitable work. I did some research on him for my discussion group recently so I found some of these factoids.
Toulon I'll tell you one thing that I can't stand right off the top.
Whenever someone has one white parent and one black parent why are they thought of as: black?
Colin Kaepernick is not black. Barack Obama was not black.
Have said this for years!! And, Kaepernick was even raised by a white family from just a few months old.
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Yes, he did pledge 1 million. Does anyone know if Nike fronted him the money? Few know for certain when Nike hatched this scheme to use Kaeperinick as their face. I'd like to see a breakdown of African American purchasers of Nike vs. white. You can bet Nike has an idea of the demographics of who purchases their products.
It was reported Nike wasn't certain about what to do with CK7 and thought about letting the contract with him lapse. However, the possibility exists Nike thought of this campaign years ago and fronted him the million to build his reputation so they could later cash in on it.
I always thought Kaepernick looked middle-eastern not black or white.
The commercial he appears in is a trainwreck. It tries weaving two themes... Believe in something even if it means sacrificing everything. (I'll bet they wanted to use STAND FOR instead of BELIEVE IN but it wouldn't work for a kneeler) ...and...Don't ask if your dreams are crazy. Ask if they're crazy enough.
Let's get rid of police brutality, racism and Kaepernick all in one fell swoop.
I know right! Just like all those Native Americans getting all these benefits and they don't even live in Teepees or on Reservations! The nerve of people identifying with ancestry they never even lived! FOR SHAME!
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Lets see. We must do something about crime in ethnic urban areas, but we can't use the police to enforce the laws because they might have to get physical with some people in order to enforce the law. I know, let's disrespect the country and use fictional imagery in order to drum up emotional outrage. That will fix everything.
Nothing can change. The only effect will be the continued withdrawl of law enforcement from high crime areas and an ever increasing outrage about how government won't do anything to help the poor in affected areas - and therefore it must be discrimination. Spending money and diversity education hasn't worked and more of each will not work either. At this point it's just a continuing emotional ploy for even greater redistribution of wealth.
johnnydoom Whoa, whoa, whoa, if you are going to continue to use rational thought patterns regarding cause and effect, you are going to have to do that somewhere else. America won’t stand for that kind of long term thinking. We will simply erase history so we can write our own new version from here on out and prove the theory of history repeating itself wrong by not having any history to base that conclusion on.
I admire CK for supporting charites. Good man. Using TV and the NFL to push his agenda while at his place of work, bad form.
I do think that African-Americans often don't get a fair shot, and are treated poorly by police officers more often than whites. They are more likely to be convicted, more likely to serve longer jail sentences, and more likely to get the death penalty versus whites accused of the same crimes.
So it probably shouldn't surprise anybody that they are gunned down unnecessarily more frequently than are white people. This is something that needs to stop.
When he first started all this ruckus I wasn't sure of his motivations and thought it was somewhat disrespectful of the flag and the anthem. As time has passed and I've had time to think about it, I think it accomplished the goal of getting people talking about a problem that needed attention.
If the end result of all this is that steps are taken to actually prevent racial disparities in law enforcement, then in the long run it was obviously a good idea. If all that comes out of it is a series of Nike commercials and a bunch of guys arguing on internet forums, then it was a waste.
SF 49ers need a QB now.
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Our son, a combat veteran with almost 15 years in the U.S. Army, has posted the 'Oath of Enlistment'. His comment is very simple. He is sworn to support and defend the Constitution, not a piece of cloth or a song. That Constitution guarantees certain freedoms and liberties. He is prepared to sacrifice all for the ability of Americans to peacefully protest and/or dissent without fear of reprisal. He and his wife both take issue with those who suggest CK's kneeling is disrespectful to our active duty military and veterans. Personally, I believe a meme that depicts CK with our soldiers as they are exiting a landing craft... and attempting to show it as him disrespecting our military... is significantly more disrespectful than CK exercising the rights those soldiers are willing to die for.
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Spuzz SF 49ers need a QB now.
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I was just going to post that when I heard Jimmy Garoppolo is probably out for the season. Kaepernick did not burn any bridges when he opted out of his last year of his contract and the liberal slanted city would love it.
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limpalong I don't know your son, doubt his sincerity or begrudge his opinion, but I know dozens of veterans and active military and not a single one of them shares the view that your son has in this matter. In funerals they don't present the family with a copy of the constitution.
johnnydoom
I understand both sides. We have three veterans' casket flags in our home. All three are in the triangular wooden boxes. One is a 48-star flag that adorned the casket of my wife's uncle lost in WWII. I play golf with two retired veterans who won't speak the name of CK or ever purchase/wear another item of Nike supply. Two others in our "geezer group" are also retired military and are fully supportive of CK. The issue is certainly divisive, with each person seeming to have strong opinions one way or the other. I would hope we could all somehow find the means to respect those opinions, even if they disagree with our own.
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Although I generally tend to agree with you, you need to check yourself here.
I served 10 years for a lot of reasons. And part of those reasons was to protect our freedoms, as Americans... freedoms that if you take the time to study don't necessarily pertain to those who serve. For instance... as an American soldier - I wasn't at liberty to protest or campaign politically for a presidential candidate (while serving). That policy still remains, all these years later. There are certain instances when the civilian rule of law doesn't pertain to those serving, which is why they're held to the military code of justice. It's generally held under court-martial trials, which is the judge advocate general (JAG).
I might not appreciate CK's manner in which he has decided to promote his cause, but that doesn't mean I think he's not within his rights to do so. Nor, for that matter, do I think he's exempt from the consequences of choosing to use his employment platform to further his cause, just like Ack pointed out above.
I do not feel sorry for CK. He could've furthered his cause to a much larger degree by being a successful starting QB in the NFL and doing his thing outside of the NFL. He could've reached many more people that way, been a much bigger voice instead of becoming a divisive figure that he's become, which has shifted the focus of this issue from one of inequality to one of the perception of being disrespectful to our military.
Again, I don't like it. I'm not a fan. But part of the reason I served was so that people who do feel something is going seriously wrong within our society and our country are free to voice their opinions/concerns without government persecution.
That's also part of our Constitution, which I also made a vow to serve and protect at all costs.
Do I feel sorry for CK? No, I do not. I feel that he has wasted a great opportunity for social change because of his stubbornness and selfishness.
He's not taken a snap in two years. Has turned down several offers to show up for workouts with potential teams since then. He is a has-been, and it's painfully obvious that this is what he wants his legacy to be. There's a reason why he keeps turning his back on these opportunities. He's no longer capable of playing in the NFL, and he's playing the only card he has left as an activist. Which he has every right as an American to do so, even if we don't agree with him, or perhaps we do agree with him but disagree with the manner in which he's chosen to do so.
So be it.
This is just my opinion.
Peace.
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Dufferman I don't think you are reading things correctly. But yes, there are those that will look into their ancestry for no other reason than hoping to find they are part 'minority'. Then they will play out that 1/4 ancestry to the hilt. What happens to the other 3/4?
And yes, I know his 'Mother' supports his stand on this.
rsvman They are more likely to be convicted, more likely to serve longer jail sentences, and more likely to get the death penalty versus whites accused of the same crimes.
I'd have to question this statement. If true, why were there not discrimination suits filed? If it could be proven.
rsvman it probably shouldn't surprise anybody that they are gunned down unnecessarily more frequently than are white people
It does not surprise me at all. They should learn to obey orders. Shut up! Put your hands where the police tell you to put them, not in your pockets! Stand still, or get down if told!
It's all very simple to do, when told to do it by authorities. Unless you are a martyr, or want to be one.
The Constitution gives me the right to these opinions.
So I've read.