Non-Traditional Golf Swing Discussion

scotts33 · 2018-09-08T18:16:05+00:00

Since, there seems some interest in non-traditional methods of the golf swing. Here are 3 that I have tried or used. There are more but these three I feel...

Sneakylong

scotts33

I have not. Again, JH has said he is getting Cobra SL irons that will be 10 degrees upright. That tells me he will use a DeChambeau set up (huge ulnar deviation) when he gets the clubs. He's been talking about getting them for awhile now so who knows when he'll actually get them.

Phillips did have a set of Cobra SL irons, but is using a set of older Callaways now. My guess is you'll see him getting another set of Cobra SL irons with more upright lie angles because he is setting up with ulnar deviation now.

Have not heard anything about the grips. Also if you subscribe to there channels you can ask questions in the comments below and they will email you. They're both very approachable.

scotts33

Sneakylong Thanks. IMO if you are going to try this more single plane (playing length/lie) correct fit will be paramount to get decent performance.

pellmell

Sneakylong All I see is bad swings. This is a classic example of the blind leading the blind.

Sneakylong

pellmell

What's your definition of a bad swing? Just because it's unconventional makes it bad? JH, Mr. X (his name is Matt), Bill Phillips and Matt Gray are all scratch golfers. The two Matts are high swing speed scratch golfers. JH is 76 and can put it out there pretty good himself. And Bill Philipps is 67 and no short hitter as well. Do some research before you spout off.

I'd love to have a 'bad swing' and be able to be a scratch golfer. 😉 Let's see you put your swing up on YouTube for all to see. Love you guys who just sit back and criticize.

scotts33

Gary take a look at this diagram (in the YT video) that John Hensby set up for CL. Now I get it much better as to aim. I also think one of my maladies is rolling wrists which will cause you to block. What Bill Phillips does with ulnar deviation ala DeChambeau helps stop rolling of wrists among other factors....keeping club on plane (single plane) and so forth.

Sneakylong

scotts33

Be careful. Mr. X's final CL swing was to not take it back so inside. He didn't want the club head to get inside the hands. And if you listen carefully JH says the inside 'channel' is a thought. Also, he is very flexible and at that time was playing the ball behind his back foot. That's why I recommend watching the more recent videos. The older ones are fun to watch the evolution process though.

garyt1957

scotts33 Yea that's a great explanation. I have to remember to go to the web site instead of watching the hodge podge on youtube. I'm sure it's in better order. I"m going to give it a try today. I've only tried a couple swings before and quit because it hurt my back but I think I've learned enough now to give it a go.
I sliced my left thumb open and have 7 stitches so I'll have to manufacture a grip.

garyt1957

Sneakylong I do agree without prior knowledge of these guys that Bill's swing especially doesn't look that good or efficient. JH's looks so-so and the other two guys look spot on good. I don't care what it looks like if it works. I'd try a new swing if a hack at the range showed it to me just because I think it's fun. It's hard to believe after hundreds of years of golf somebody's going to come up with something demonstrably new and better. But it could be better for ME.

pellmell

Sneakylong What's your definition of a bad swing? Just because it's unconventional makes it bad?

Swings with eccentricities require compensations, which makes them bad. These compensation should not be promoted as swing methods.

garyt1957

Sneakylong I've seen a video of Phillips where he says he using a right arm underhand move at the ball. He was really striping a hybrid in that video. There's so many videos out there, and that can be a problem cause JH and Bill seem to have some different ideas. JH seems to have a way more radical stance.

Tinker

Have been following this post and checking out all the videos and just don’t get how you actually play a round of golf with these swings. If your 150 out with a pin front right do you just hit a draw , hope it holds the green and leave a 60 foot putt? Do you have the ability to hit a high soft 80 yard wedge that hits the green and stops?On a dog leg right do you just draw it left and leave the longest approach shot possible?

Sneakylong

Tinker

All four of these guys hit baby draws with this swing. Works for them. For one of them if they want to hit a fade they add forward shaft lean. Kenny Perry does pretty good with a constant draw, just as Colin Montgomery does OK with a predictable fade.

If you can get a predictable ball flight you're well ahead of the game IMO. I like the fact that there are some thinking out of the box even if it may not be my cup of tea.

Is CL the magic elixir for every golfer? Hell no. But it may work for some and just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it should be condemned to the trash heap.

I think they have a name for that on the internet and it starts with a T. 😎 Not saying you're trolling, but someone else seems headed in that direction.

Sneakylong

pellmell

That's your opinion which doesn't make it correct. I wouldn't get caught up with semantics whether to call unconventional swings 'methods'. I'm using that term. You can use unconventional, non traditional or whatever.
Makes no difference to me. A method indicates that there are some protocols that help the golfer get the desired results. That's a good thing IMO.

Some would consider Jim Furyk's swing unconventional. He stands very close to the ball and takes it back very steep with a flying elbow and then he loops it back inside while externally rotating his right arm in the down swing to shallow it out and makes it work. Anyone teaching that swing? He certainly makes compensations. Bubba's swing is unconventional, but he makes it work even with his dancing footwork. Anyone teaching that swing.

If someone were to teach Furyk's swing they'd need some protocols to help the golfer achieve the desired results. One would be stand close to the ball. Next take the club up steeply with a disconnected flying right elbow. Then externally rotate your right arm as you start your down swing. Eccentric enough for you? We can call it the Furyk method. 😉

Is Don Trahan's Peak Performance swing eccentric? He goes against the now taught rotational 'conventional' PGA manual swing. Tell me Miller Barbers swing was conventional.

I don't see where John Hensby, Bill Phillips, Matt Gray or the other Matt are making compensations. I'm not interested getting into a pissing contest with someone with a closed mind regarding unconventional golf swings.

After all the title of the thread is Non-Traditional Golf Swing Discussion. CL tries to eliminate the ball from going way left. Who cares if it's unconventional. If it works for some that's great. But to ignorantly spout off and make an all encompassing statement that any swing with eccentricities is bad, is foolish IMO.

The PGA Tour has been and is still full of eccentricities.

pellmell

Sneakylong Bubba's swing is unconventional

I don't consider Bubba's swing unconventional. You have no idea what I'm talking about.

Tinker

Sneakylong there’s no such thing as trolling. A discussion isn’t a discussion if you can’t present opposing views.

Sneakylong

pellmell

And I don't care to know. I'll go toe to toe on swing theory with you anytime.

garyt1957

You want unconventional? How 'bout this swing?

garyt1957

God, I love this stuff!

rsvman

That's a frickin' ugly swing! Holy crap!

Sneakylong

Tinker

It would help if you educated yourself on the subject before criticizing.

Tinker

Sneakylong educate on what, goofy band aid ways to swing a golf club? I know the proper way to swing a club . I have taught more people to swing a club than you could imagine.

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