Ping G400 driver

Graz · 2017-10-20T20:51:36+00:00

So I found the mythical gain increase. I never believed it until tonite I did a flightscope session tonite comparing my trusty G30 10 degree SF TEC stiff vs...

garyt1957

Is there a Ping G400 line that is fade biased? Another question about the G400 Max, setting it at the Big Minus opens the face, correct? Anybody know how much?
I had mine set at neutral and have been fighting a draw/hook the last two times out. I went out today and hit a ton of extra shots trying everything I could to tame the hook, with no luck. Last hole for some reason I finally thought to change the setting ( I thought I already had it open) to the Big Minus which I know flattens the lie and I believe opens the face. Hit two beautiful draws that started out right and drew right back to the middle. All day they were starting center/left and drawing/hooking. Could it be as easy as this?

sdandrea1

garyt1957 Is there a Ping G400 line that is fade biased?

The OG G400 (not SFT or MAX) set on the big minus would be your best chance at fade bias. After that, it's your swing. 😉

The LST might work as stated above.

bigshank

garyt1957 I’ve set mine to the minus before and I lost them right. I set mine to the plus and leave it there. Can still lose them right ahere and there. I think it definitely makes a difference

bogeypro

G400 MAX is adjustable +/- 1* in 1/2* increments. I think the LST is fade biased but I'm not 100% sure

garyt1957

bogeypro G400 MAX is adjustable +/- 1* in 1/2* increments. I think the LST is fade biased but I'm not 100% sure

That is for loft, though correct? Does it change face angle the same amount?

garyt1957

sdandrea1 The LST might work as stated above.

I'll have to look into the LST. My problem is I don't have the SS to hit the old "Tour" versions of clubs, which I think the LST likely is. I need all the help and spin that comes with the Max styles without the draw bias.

Sneakylong

garyt1957

I think on the G400 line of drivers the small plus and minus are .6 degrees if I remember correctly. Also, as far as the LST model goes, you will lose some forgiveness because of the more forward weight.

The Max has the most forgiveness of the G400 line that was close to 10,000 MOI. The SFT because of the heel weighting was still above 9000 MOI. The LST would have the lowest MOI.

If you suffer from a hook then you may benefit from the G425 MAX more because you can move the 26 gram weight toward the toe and put the setting at the big minus to get the maximum fade bias.

bogeypro

Don't know, I think Typhoon would be able to answer that but I did find this guide:

https://www.golfstorageguide.com/ping-g400-driver-adjustment-guide/

bogeypro

I like the G400 MAX but I think I'd like to try the SFT so the G400 MAX is in the Buy n Sell folder looking for a trade. Will sell but prefer a trade

Typhoon

bogeypro

The Newer LST's are more forgiving than the first iterations. The G30 for example had too low spin. The G400 LST comes in 10 degrees and you can go up to 11. It’s much more user friendly than you think. It’s not a tour head, don’t be afraid of it. It’s drops a couple hundred RPM of spin, not a lot. And at the 11 degree setting, you get some of the spin back.

It is a slightly smaller head at 440 cc but it also gives you an extra mph or so of clubhead spees being a smaller head.

Typhoon

bogeypro The SFT is the secret weapon as ive said before. The smiles and excitement I see from people I fit who have hit every drive to the right and now are seeing a solid bomb or just a slight right rough fade... it’s exciting for me as well.

The G400 max though... I wouldn’t give that up. I had a guy yesterday come to my fitting with one and wanted the the G425 Max because he didn’t hit the Max far enough. I put him on Trackman and with his less than stellar swing he was carrying it almost 250 and rolling out to 270. I said to him, that’s pretty perfect... spin, launch, efficiency,decent angle, height.... you’re not gonna hit anything better but here you go. He hit the G425 ...5 shots, none as good as any of the Max shots. I told him they skipped a g410 max because they couldn’t max the max any better. Now it’s "better" with the heavier movable weight, shorter weight track, slight increase in moi... but I haven’t found anyone, myself included, that hits the new one better than the OG G400max.

bogeypro

Typhoon
Thanks for your input, appreciate it. I'm looking for forgiveness and any help I can get with draw bias. The G400 MAX has helped turn my hard fade (snicker snicker) into a fade I can work with so I think the G400 SFT would be what I'm looking for. The MAX isn't really any longer (at my swing speed) than a 919 or Fly-Z but it does seem to have a positive effect on accuracy. I am so so SO tired of playing recovery shots from the right rough or from the adjacent fairway.

garyt1957

Sneakylong That's what I'm thinking. Somebody on WRX said the G400 Max is slightly draw biased but the G425 Max is slightly fade biased, but also has the moveable weight as you said so that should help. The LST supposedly sits 1* open at neutral and the Max is square. From what I'm reading I won't be able to get one for weeks due to product scarcity.
Just as an aside, what kind of MOI are they measuring to get 10,000 etc? Is it the same as the MOI Nike was touting with the old square Sasquatch that was the first to get 5000 MOI? Hard to believe they've doubled the forgiveness of those drivers. I have an old Wishon 949MC that I remember tested at like 4800 MOI back then and I thought that thing was very forgiving.
If these are the same MOI #'s I don't think I'd have any problem with an LST forgiveness wise, but wonder if the low spin would cost me distance?

Par4QC

Sneakylong The Max has the most forgiveness of the G400 line that was close to 10,000 MOI. The SFT because of the heel weighting was still above 9000 MOI.

With those figures, those clubheads would be non-conforming.

If the moment of inertia of the clubhead about its centre of mass exceeds 5,900 g-cm² plus a
test tolerance, the clubhead does not conform to the Equipment Rules, Part 2, Section 4b (i

Sneakylong

garyt1957 From what I'm reading I won't be able to get one for weeks due to product scarcity.

Yup, they can't keep up with the demand. I'm still waiting for my G425 SFT with the Orange Tensei that was ordered March 5th. Golf has exploded with the pandemic. John Solheim the CEO was working a shift assembling clubs for awhile I read.

garyt1957 Just as an aside, what kind of MOI are they measuring to get 10,000 etc?

Not sure what method they use, but I don't see those numbers challenged by places like MyGolfSpy etc. who are critical when necessary.

garyt1957

Sneakylong Not sure what method they use, but I don't see those numbers challenged by places like MyGolfSpy etc. who are critical when necessary.

I'm not suggesting they're fudging the numbers but I remember reading somewhere there are two different MOI's they use, can't remember now but I think the original one where 5000 was off the charts is no longer in use.

Typhoon

Sneakylong Yup, they can't keep up with the demand. I'm still waiting for my G425 SFT with the Orange Tensei that was ordered March 5th. Golf has exploded with the pandemic. John Solheim the CEO was working a shift assembling clubs for awhile I read.

Yup it’s the shaft that’s holding it up. Depending on the flex believe it or not some waits are up to 12 weeks. Problem is the shaft companies are unable to get the materials to make the shafts.

Im actually having demos and fittings cancelled because of the long lead times. I can’t sell what you can’t get.

garyt1957

Par4QC With those figures, those clubheads would be non-conforming.

If the moment of inertia of the clubhead about its centre of mass exceeds 5,900 g-cm² plus a
test tolerance, the clubhead does not conform to the Equipment Rules, Part 2, Section 4b (i

That's where the two MOI measurements come in. They're using a different way to measure MOI than the "old" way that got heads to 5000MOI.

Edit: Found it, that 10,000 MOI is a combination of side to side and up and down MOI measurements:
Ping say that their G400 Max driver has a combined (heel-to-toe, top-to-bottom) MOI of 9,902 g/cm² – the highest on the market at the time of its release.

There are actually multiple "moments of inertia" that can be measured on a golf club. But the one that companies tout in advertising and that golfers read about in golf magazines and websites has to do with the clubhead, its center of gravity location, and a vertical line we can imagine running through that CG location.

https://www.liveabout.com/moment-of-inertia-moi-in-golf-1563333

Sneakylong

Par4QC

Yeah I hear ya. But like @garyt1957 said they combine the horizontal and vertical to get the close to 10,000 moi number. Which makes sense because we miss it high / low and heel / toe. Ping does seem to have the most forgiving drivers.

Sneakylong

Typhoon

Yeah, I have no problem if they'll just be honest. The last time Edwin Watts talked to Ping they were told 2 to 4 weeks. I was told that by Ping 6 weeks ago.

I understand the raw material shortages. My wife is experiencing the same with her company. Just be honest. If you don't have a certain date just say we don't really know.

My G400 SFT performs fine for me. I'm almost tempted to tell them just send me the head. I have several shafts laying around. Then just send me the Orange Tensei when it comes in. I doubt they'd do that though.

garyt1957

So I got out today and dug out an old Wishon 949MC driver head I had. I've always read that head is fade biased and my head was 1* open also. Put in an Aldila Gamer stiff shaft and off I went.

Surprisingly, it worked great. Did not hit a single draw. Maybe one straight shot and the rest a small fade. A couple that I started right then faded right putting me in the right rough. But once I realized I could count on the fade I just aimed more left (which is normally very scary for me) and let it come back to center.

The only problem is that I changed 3 things, the head, went from R to S shaft and a slightly larger grip. I'm quite sure it was mostly the head, though. I really think a G425 Max or maybe a G425LST or Cally Max LS would work well and probably give me a few more yards then the 2004ish era Wishon.

I need to get out and demo a 425 Max.

Par4QC

garyt1957 I'm not here to argue, but the USGA limit is as I posted above. And the only way of testing is THEIR way**, that counts. Companies may spew out any 'sales' tactics they wish, but they must conform to the final test. And that is all anyone should consider. And if any company states they have MOI of 9902, and it is on the conforming list....well, make your own assumption.

**Diagrams of how they test are on the website.

Anyway, I pay no attention to any numbers except that which I achieve on course. And those at the cash registers. 😉

garyt1957

Par4QC 'm not here to argue, but the USGA limit is as I posted above. And the only way of testing is THEIR way**, that counts. Companies may spew out any 'sales' tactics they wish, but they must conform to the final test. And that is all anyone should consider. And if any company states they have MOI of 9902, and it is on the conforming list....well, make your own assumption.

I agree it's subterfuge. They (the oem's) no doubt meet the USGA limit and adding the two together just sounds better. I just knew it couldn't be the same number as the USGA limit (which I didn't know was still 6000) simply because there's no way today's heads are twice as forgiving as the earlier heads that hit 5000 MOI.

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