Sneakylong At the very least Flynn and Manafort are in serious trouble.

Really? That is how they are being portrayed in the liberal media and if we drink their take I would agree. But, I don't drink I read. At this point in time I have not read one single statement of fact (not maybe, it appears, possible, etc.) of either men actually violating the law.

If you are aware of any actual violation of legal statues, please share. I have come to only glance at most liberal media sources. It is only when I catch a statement using words such as "evidence," "facts," or full statements in quotes that I read carefully. When I do I usually find they have ignored "the rest of the story." This continuously repeated experience has only moved me further away from wasting my time.

    Sneaky,

    I would agree that Trump is too self focused.

    However, he is also a very successful businessman and has never been about political correctness or politics. He was out of the box for DC, but he is learning the silly games of our nations politicians.

    The end game will be the fruits of his administration in about three years for the majority of the voting public. If he does well, I suspect you may have to deal with four more years. Like it or not it was what was happening to the average citizen in our nation that rejected democratic leadership. Hillary was a terrible choice for the democratic party, but her party approval was clearly the work of party politics. As Bernie Sanders would see it - the same ole dirty politics behind the scenes. If you wish to consider the damage of the email leaks - it was not that they were fabricated, because they were not - but what they said about Hillary and the democratic party to the voting public. It was a peak behind the scenes and it was a foul smell.

    It was a story which the mainstream media clearly elected to ignore, but that in itself only contributed to the odor of the democratic election effort.

    The mainstream media is losing more and more influence everyday in our nation. If you keep repeatedly exposing your bias with a wide brush, eventually you have painted your own house. It is sad because we need an unbiased media we can trust.

    Have a nice day.

      lambo

      I'm going to disagree on Trump being a successful businessman. For someone who was born on 3rd base he's actually a terrible businessman. He (his businesses) has gone bankrupt at least 4 times. He is a dead beat also. U.S. based banks stopped lending to him years ago. He basically ran a mom and pop real estate company with more self promotion than anything else.

      For years he over leveraged himself. Finally he stopped that failed business model and started licensing his name which meant he built very little.

      Trump has several severe personality disorders and is completely unqualified for the job as president. He should be nowhere near the nuclear codes. He is disinterested in policy and is only interested in self promotion and starting fights with whoever.

      Tony Schwartz who wrote The Art Of The Deal said he has the attention span of an 8 year old. For some reason people were attracted by his buffoonery and bullying. I don't understand the attraction myself. I think he's an idiot.

      Hopefully we all survive this imbeciles time in office and people will learn that the office of the president isn't an entry level position.

      From a NY Times article this past summer.

      "In a recent Quinnipiac University poll, respondents were asked what word immediately came to mind when they thought of Donald Trump: The No. 1 response was “idiot.” This was followed by “incompetent,” “liar,” “leader,” “unqualified,” and finally, in sixth place, “president.” Superlatives like “great” and a few unprintable descriptives came further down on the list. But let us focus on the first.

      Contemporary uses of the word “idiot” usually highlight a subject’s lack of intelligence, ignorance, foolishness or buffoonery. The word’s etymological roots, however, going back to ancient Greece, suggest that, in the case of the president, it may be even more apropos than it might first seem."

        Also, the 'main stream media' does a good job calling out Trumps bullshit lies. Trump would love to be a dictator and runs the Whitehouse like a palace with his totally unqualified son in law and daughter in there with him. Its more of Romanovs type thing.

        His 'Make America Great Again' is dog whistle for 'Make America White Again. He's brought bigotry back out from under the rock where it should've remained. Hopefully this racist fuck has set us back only temporarily and history will look upon this brief time as a freakish blip in our progress towards equality for all.

        Thank God we have a free press calling this guys bullshit out. And I'm an atheist. 😎 Trump would love to shut down the free press. Trump admires dictators. All the so called 'main stream media' are doing the country a great service IMO.

        Oh, IMO Flynn will go down from his ties to foreign governments (foreign agent) and Manafort for money laundering.

        On a side note. The late former owner of my home course went to the Wharton School at Penn State with Trump. Let's just say he was full of shit back then as well........

          Sneakylong I'm going to disagree on Trump being a successful businessman. For someone who was born on 3rd base he's actually a terrible businessman. He (his businesses) has gone bankrupt at least 4 times. He is a dead beat also. U.S. based banks stopped lending to him years ago. He basically ran a mom and pop real estate company with more self promotion than anything else.

          WOW!

          Sneakylong Trump has several severe personality disorders and is completely unqualified for the job as president.

          WOW II!!

          Sneakylong Trump would love to be a dictator and runs the Whitehouse like a palace

          WOW III!!!

          Sneakylong He's brought bigotry back out from under the rock where it should've remained.

          WOW IV!!!!

          Sneakylong Hopefully this racist fuck

          WOW V!!!!!

          Sneakylong Trump admires dictators.

          WOW VI!!!!!!

          Sneakylong The late former owner of my home course went to the Wharton School at Penn State with Trump.

          Oh. I feel so like an 'idiot', now that I see where you got all your highly qualified info. But still.....

          WOW, fucking WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😱

            Par4QC

            WOW is right... Anytime I can enlighten, happy to do so. Also, have a relative that used to work for Carl Icahn. Let's put it this way, Icahn is one of the few that can call Trump a stupid fuck to his face (well actually by telephone). But the stories about Trump only confirm what's already out there for all to see.

            The Cabinet or Congress could invoke the 25th amendment and remove this incompetent idiot from office. Meanwhile we wait for the next episode of the Reality Show known as Trump.


            https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/25th-amendment-proves-why-trump-s-mental-health-matters-ncna801666

            " Nearly 800 mental health professionals have joined a coalition asserting that they are so alarmed by Trump’s mental health that they feel a duty to warn the public."

            Sneakylong

            I am not surprised with your posts. But, you were of the opinion Trump's nomination as a candidate was a guarantee Hillary would be elected. So I suggest you broaden your perspective from the narrow liberal viewpoint.

            I posted years ago that Obama's broadened use of the Executive Order would come back to bite the Obama supporters. Now you refer to Trump's use of such orders as a desire to be a dictator. But, in reality many of Trump's Executive Orders have simply put the responsibility back to where it should be in many manners - Congress.

            Trump understood what was happening across our nation, which the democrats refused to acknowledge. So whether it was in regard to immigration, Obamacare, taxes, distribution of wealth, forcing of LGBT agenda, etc., the average American was not on board with the liberal democrat agenda.

            Trump made promises on all of these issues. He was voted as our President by our nation. From the very beginning many liberals came out saying he is not my President. All they are saying is that they reject the very concept of a democracy and reject the opinions of their fellow Americans. The clear effort to undermine the administration of our President by both the media and the democratic party is akin to a hissy fit of a toddler. Do you expect everyone is going to just jump on board while you show such extreme disrespect for our democracy and the vote of the American people?

              Par4QC

              Don't know where to start. Maybe people are down on him because of his insensitive / vulgar behavior for one. 🤔 His own Secretary of State called him a fucking moron. He doesn't know anything. It's like Peter Sellers in the movie Being There.

              If you consider personality disorders are not mental disorders, maybe it's just semantics. He certainly has his issues. When he was younger one of his mentors was Roy Cohn who was Joseph McCarthy's lawyer during the communist witch hunt in the 1950's. Cohn advised him to never admit a mistake and never apologize.

              He may not be impeached, but he certainly can be, but with a Republican Congress it's highly unlikely. Although IMO this scandal is worse than Watergate, because this 'electronic break in' involved a foreign adversary.

              Not sure what you mean by 'show we're a team.' What we need to show the world is if laws were broken no one including the President is above the law.

              I couldn't disagree more with 'not forcing him to use them.' Senator Corker said the Whitehouse is like an adult daycare center. Supposedly McMasters, Tillerson and Mattis have discussed if he goes to for the nuclear codes they'll tackle him. I guess that's comforting.

              This is the same guy who asked if we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them.

              Three more years of this chaos will be exhausting.

                lambo

                For years now Republicans have used dog whistle racism. Trump took it to another level bringing it out in the open with the whole racist birther crap. He realized that was his ticket into politics and is continuing with this white nativism bullshit that is setting the country back. Trump is an empty vessel. He has no political ideology.

                It's obvious he's just trying to keep his 38% base. We'll see if that's enough to get him a second term.

                Yes, we liberals are for expanding human rights / equality including the LBGT community. We also believe in science. We don't believe the earth is 5000 years old. We believe in the idea that healthcare is a right and not a privilege. We believe in a fair tax system that does redistribute the nations wealth to the top incomes like we've seen for several years now.

                Most people if given a series of cultural issue questions will prove to be more liberal than they realize.

                Trump is not a real conservative. He's playing one in his reality TV show in the Whitehouse. The question is how much damage he does in his time there.

                  Edit feature not working. Obviously I meant we DO NOT favor a tax system where the nations wealth is redistributed to the top incomes. And it was a typo with the LGBT community.

                  Time to watch the Patriots hopefully beat the Falcons.

                  lambo I have come to only glance at most liberal media sources

                  Given your statement, quoted above, perhaps you'd be more inclined than some predecessors in this thread to actually identify what you consider to be "most liberal media sources"? As I hear it, seems with one exception, Fox, all the rest are liberal in their bias.

                  If that's accurate then I wonder why that is so.

                    professor
                    All I did was to google the media related donors to the Hillary campaign and Clinton foundation. One of the oldest principles available - "follow the money." Btw, I did the same with the Republican candidates.

                    There are actually journalist and media sources that openly refuse to donate to either party because they are convicted it is unethical. Some of these sites and journalist clearly have their own political leanings, but I have found them far more reliable and balanced overall.

                    puttnfool ... and Barry Soetoro has proven himself to be a complete hoax upon the U.S. The sheeple elected him and he did as much damage as he could while his tyrannical regime was at the helm.

                    Ironically, this is one of the most sheeple comments I have ever seen. BTW, you forgot to inject a "snowflake" in there somewhere.

                    Sneakylong Rights are things that don't have to be paid for by other people. Speech, life, the pursuit of happiness, peaceable assembly, etc. Why is health care a right? If it is, why is housing not a right? Or is it? What about food? Why is that not a right? Or is it? What about transportation? Should owning a car be a right? If not, why not?

                    Housing, food, etc. are exactly like health care. They are things that are required for a good life, and they have to be paid for by somebody. Therefore, they are not rights.

                      rsvman

                      "[H]ealth is not a consumer good, but rather a universal right, and therefore access to health care services cannot be a privilege.

                      Health care, especially at the most basic level, is indeed denied in many parts of the world... Access to health care services, treatment and medicines remains a mirage. The poorest are unable to pay and are excluded from hospital services, even the most essential primary care." Pope Francis

                      Not a religious person, but I agree with the Pope.

                      I don't believe heath care is a commodity which can go to the highest bidder. Basic heath care should be available regardless of your financial situation.

                      Other civilized countries treat health care as a right, we're lagging behind because we still think the free market will work for health care and it's obvious it does not. We just fundamentally disagree. Too many are excluded when you have a free market health care system.

                      Certain services are provided by societies regardless of you finances. A rich person and a poor person have equal police and fire protection for example. If your house catches fire we don't let the free market decide whether you can afford the fire department to show up.

                      Also, we as a society provide free education for grades K-12. So not everything is based on a 'free market' and your ability to pay.

                      I would put basic health care in the same category as police / fire protection and an education (K-12). It should be available to all regardless of your financial status.

                      Other civilized countries similar to ours have gone that way. Ask a Canadian or Brit if they want to trade their health care system for ours. I have and the answer I got was no.

                        Sneakylong I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I would argue that food and shelter are just as important as health care, but nobody is arguing that these things are rights. Everybody should have food, shelter, and good health care. But who should pay for it? That's the fundamental question. Do you want to pay for my family's health care? Do you want to pay my mortgage? Do you want to pay my grocery bill?

                          rsvman

                          Yup, fundamentally disagree. You think healthcare is a good or service that a free market decides who has access (based on cost). I think healthcare is not a commodity and as a society should treat it as a basic human right. Other civilized countries such as ours have turned away from a free market healthcare system. We're on an island in that regard.

                          We already have a healthcare system for all people over 65. And yes other people help pay for it. Works pretty well. Ask someone over 65 if they want to see Medicare taken away.

                          Who pays for services like the police / fire, public education and the military. We make choices in a society and so far we've put profit over people when it comes to healthcare. Our free market healthcare system is unsustainable.

                            Until you stop a doctor from charging five thousand bucks for cutting a wart of your finger health care costs will never be controlled. The only commercials on tv these days are medical. What is the cost of those ads? The cost is absorbed by the customers like any other business. President Trump won because he reached out to blue collar working America. The people in my state could care less about Russians. They saw most industry including GM and Chrysler leave and it devastated the states economy. If Trump promises to bring back decent paying manufacturing jobs with health care and benefits I’ll give him a shot. The democrats that run this state have brought in a few “ progressive” companies life Fisker. They stole our money and ran. The politicians talk about education and training programs that cost millions, bull shit, these people need jobs now. I’m retired with a pension, but I live in the city , I’m civic association president and on a democratic mayors team and the problems in every urban area in the country come down to one thing, no jobs. The ex Vice President comes from my area, he was a customer of mine, he knows the problem he just doesn’t have a solution, neither do I, but whatever it takes to bring back jobs I’m for, I don’t care who it offends.