LBlack14 my favorite part is when his eye blinks uncontrollably when he knows he's spewing total bullshit.
Dumbest Thing I've read today, via the internet......
Dude, every time you use Mother Jones, Slate, Vox, Huffpost, or a myriad of other liberal thought police websites for your sourcing, I just gotta sit back and smfh. Try using statistics gathered by a legit source for once, not some made up liberal shit. They cherry pick data so it fits their narrative.
He may be cherry picking data from liberal websites, but there's no argument that people with a gun in their home are less safe, not safer, from gun violence. One you bring that gun into your home you make it more likely, not less likely, that somebody in your home is going to be injured by a gun.
Why? Because now there's a gun in your home. An intruder didn't bring it there, you did. Overestimating the risk of an armed intruder is at the root of the problem. They are not coming for you. Therefore your family is safe from gun violence unless you introduce the weapon into the home, then all bets are off.
Seems like it would be elementary, but apparently it is not.
Show me some unbiased numbers here-how many lives lost by gun vs how many saved by gun, in the home. Remember, unbiased. And here’s a nugget for you-why are you 3 times more likely to be a victim of violent crime in urban areas vs rural areas, when gun control is much more strict in urban areas?
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https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/scientists-agree-guns-dont-make-society-safer/
I suppose you think all the data showing guns in homes don't make you safer are fake news. Whatever.
Explain this then. Why do countries with tighter gun laws have less gun deaths? No correlation between less guns / stricter laws = less gun deaths vs. more guns / weak laws = more gun deaths? Just a coincidence I suppose. 
Bottom line is the countries fetish with guns isn't going away. And even though the Second Amendment says the right to bear arms in order to form a well regulated militia and nothing about having an arsenal of high powered weapons in your home to fight off a home invasion.
Nothing is going to change.
So, let the irrational fear continue as we'll surely see increases in suicides, accidents, murders and mass shootings all so the gun manufacturers can sell more guns to an overly armed paranoid country .
See, this is the exact mindset that unlawful criminals want activists to have, the mindset that really pinpoints the fallacies of the liberal arguments as it relates to 2A.
If I’m a thief/criminal in the business of casing homes for burglaries - which homes am I more targeting - homes that are owned by people who have no means of personal defense, or homeowners who do?
Do you honestly think I’m just gonna let a drug-induced criminal break my door in at 2:00 in the morning, threaten my family, steal and vandalize my personal property, without having some means to defend my family and my property?
I don’t give a fuck what the statistics are, as long as I have the ability to not become one of them.
I’ve broken no laws. I keep my firearms secure, like a responsible gun owner should. I see absolutely no reason why my preference would put you or anyone else at risk, unless of course you decide I have something you want inside my house and are willing to risk your life to trespass my property and take it unlawfully.
I just described an overwhelming majority of legal gun owners in this country.
Wanna do some good - go after the criminals, gangbangers and drug dealers who cause 95% of the gun-related deaths in this country.
People are up in arms over Vegas, but more people were killed in Chicago last month.
Address the real problem.
Why do cities like Chicago and Baltimore have higher crime by gun even though they have stricter gun control?
Sneakylong The 2nd Amendment states - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It doesn't say what your wrote - "...even though the Second Amendment says the right to bear arms in order to form a well regulated militia and nothing about having an arsenal of high powered weapons in your home to fight off a home invasion." It doesn't say forming a militia, doesn't say you cannot have more than a certain number of firearms and makes no mention of caliber of firearm we, as law-abiding citizens, may have.
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pretty common sense but just in case
https://blog.uwgb.edu/alltherage/debunking-pro-gun-arguments-but-what-about-chicago/
similarly , our gun laws are on the strict side of things and despite very low gun deaths and with many weapons being banned including certain hand guns and semi/automatic weapons. They still find their way into some hands and over 90% of those prohibited guns involved come from the US where they are legal. there is no doubt that gun deaths would skyrocket if those types of weapons were more easily accessible legal here.
lol ....more shinola and distortion there than at a Trump speech
PA-PLAYA your preference doesn't put me at risk at all. It puts your family at risk, not me. I have no problem at all with you having guns in your home. It doesn't concern me in the least.
And just to set the record straight, I'm not advocating repeal of the second amendment out anything remotely close to it. I'm just engaging in a discussion. As long as you understand that your family is at higher risk of gun violence inside your home because of your choice to bring a gun into your home, you are absolutely free to do so.
There are obviously ways of keeping your family safe from your guns, and I hope you take all necessary measures.
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rsvman
thought this portion of a well written , balanced article on the subject supports your stance .
"If there’s a commonality between the pro-gun and anti-gun divide, it’s that people feel the world is unsafe (despite the fact that the world, including the US, has become increasingly more safe in terms of homicide). On the one hand, suburban, white parents who are strongly anti-gun are up in arms (pun intended) about gun control because they feel their children are endangered in places where they shouldn’t be (in contrast, inner-city gun violence among black youth doesn’t tend to spark national talk of gun control). And so, banning guns completely seems like a rational solution. On the other hand, pro-gun advocates have similar concerns, but they feel that arming themselves is the only way to keep them safe. In their view, more permissive gun laws allowing open-carry and concealed-carry firearms or arming teachers with guns in schools is therefore the sensible path.
From a psychological perspective, it’s less important whether guns actually make us safer and more important whether guns make us feel safer. But nonetheless, let’s start with some “facts.” The preponderance of available evidence indicates that having a gun in the home is associated with a greater risk of accidental death, homicide, suicide, and a greater risk especially of female and childhood death by firearm.3 As a result, the significant public health risk of firearm ownership has become a known dictum in the medical literature. What’s much less well known is whether firearm ownership really prevents violent victimization. Methodologically, it’s extremely difficult to detect a deterrent effect of gun ownership, when preventative outcomes are hypothetical (i.e. in cases of purported gun self-defense, it isn’t really possible to know what would have happened if one didn’t have a gun in the same situation)."
full article here
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psych-unseen/201510/the-psychology-guns
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I was simply being rhetorical in my response. But thank you for the reply anyway.
My guns are safe... in a safe. My wife and I are the only ones who know the combination lock. Not sure how that creates a situation where it puts my family at more risk. I would argue it actually puts my family at less risk. My wife and my son (26 years old) have gone to the local gun club (which I'm a member) with me on several occasions to learn how to safely and securely use firearms. I have a legal CC permit, which was obtained through the local Sheriff's department. All firearms I've purchased have required extensive background checks, through the proper channels. Being former military - I have a deeper respect for firearms and their lethality, granted. But still - my secured firearms, whether concealed carry on my person, or at home in my safe, I see as an insurance policy that I hope that I, or my family, never have to cash in on.
Not all of us are George Zimmerman's looking for trouble.
The only people at-risk are those who foolishly see me, my family, or my home/property as a soft-target.
JeffTilley
oh so that's what an un-biased website looks like...gee whiz.
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Suicides by gun per 100,000 people:
US 6.3
Can 1.52
Suicides in general
US 12.6
Can 10.4
Dispute that.
The suicide rate is the slightly higher in the US (must be more mentally deficient people) but there are 4 times as many deaths by guns. Do you think that maybe if the gun wasn't available the rate would be lower? Just asking....
Would the rate be on par with other industrialized nations IF the gun wasn't readily available?
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PA-PLAYA
but, it seems you are not the norm. How many times have we read in the news that a kid found a gun in a bedside table (loaded) and shot their sibling? THAT does not happen here...
some info:
This type of thing happens more than it should. At least 265 children under the age of 18 picked up a firearm and accidentally shot themselves or someone else with it in 2015, according to numbers compiled by the gun control advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety.
are these numbers wrong? puttinfool?
People don't need to go to websites that suit their political tastebuds. Just watch the news. Pay attention to the profiles of those who murder people. They're mostly comprised of drug dealers, career criminals, gangbangers. And a majority of these murders, an overwhelming majority, happen in gun-free zones, where NO ONE is supposed to have firearms.
But the liberals think that taking guns away from law-abiding citizens in small-town America is going to make spending a weekend in Chicago, LA, NY, or any other "gun-free" zone safer. LOL...
Put down the fucking crackpipe. You take away the right for innocent, law-abiding people to defend themselves - you basically have an entire country that you might as well rename United States of Chicago.
I really don't understand the premise of such illogical rationale. And quite frankly - my common sense refuses to allow me to.
As long as our elected leaders in government continue to rely on armed security personnel to protect them and their family - they have absolutely no fucking platform to stand on suggesting that law-abiding citizens shouldn't have that same privilege.