Zero Torque Putters

garyt1957 · 2025-10-01T18:30:01+00:00

Who has tried/ uses one? Does it work? Did you adjust your stroke as recommended?

jsippy73

Anybody have the blueprints and materials list?

ValueGolf

"don't be so confident" and in the next sentence you say "not a chance" LOL

Why don't you ask LAB if what you have is legit? Or would you go the conspiracy theory route that they would lie about it?

ValueGolf

It's certainly not difficult for China to produce a milled head like LAB and it even be of high quality in some cases. But saying they are the real thing is just jumping the shark. There's probably numerous factories selling on Temu/Ali doing it over there and its pot luck on the quality. The more the factories cut corners the more money they make. If people want to roll dice to save some money that's up to them - but for something like a putter that makes up almost half your strokes in a round, I want everything to be as perfect as possible and let myself be the only problem.

LBlack14

Since "torque" is now an issue with putters 🙄, do you spine and flo your shaft? 🤔

ValueGolf

LBlack14

I can only say Landon that my LAB has been a game changer. Like after 30 years of playing turning a bad part of my game into an asset vs my buddies kind of difference. I do think it depends upon the person but apparently for me it was big.

Par4QC

LBlack14 do you spine and flo your shaft?

Not necessary when using X Stiff. And it is properly tipped.

🤣

sdandrea1

LBlack14 Since "torque" is now an issue with putters 🙄, do you spine and flo your shaft? 🤔

🤣🤣🤣👍

A shit-ton of tech going into a $600 club that we just tap the ball with. 🙄. My hickory putter works as well as my modern putter in my hands

Par4QC

ValueGolf I do think it depends upon the person but apparently for me it was big.

I stated that point last year after using one. Not everyone needs it, but it should help a lot for those that need 'something'. Esp. if you have a straight back/forward stroke. jmo
I've tried other brand's ZT putters in stores. They really do not compare. But.....

Jake has a Jailbird, 38"(?). I've used it for around 10 putts when we played together. Drained every one from as far as 40'. It may be better than a L.A.B.
But for the money, I stick with my old Ping.😉

Spuzz

Par4QC do you spine and flo your shaft?

Not necessary when using X Stiff. And it is properly tipped.

How do you deal with the 5.1* of torque in the stiff graphite shaft?
Does the head have -5.1* of torque to balance that out?

ode

Spuzz 5.1*

🙃...torque reducing heads

Par4QC

Spuzz XS is not going to have 5.1.
Even if it did, why are you 'swinging' a putter that causes shaft flex?

Typhoon

sdandrea1

Like Rex said, it’s not for everyone. Just
Like any putter, mallet, blade, Anser style… the ZT is just another putter. If it’s “Fake”… who cares ( other than someone who paid $600 ). It passes the zero torque revealer test so good for those of you that found something inexpensive that saves you strokes!!

Like Steve, I try them in stores alongside the Anser style Cameron and my Ping Tyne. I don’t make any more putts with the ZT. So I’m in Rex’ camp on this. And if it worked for everyone, wouldn’t every single PGA tour player be using one?

darpar

I tried a putter a long time ago that had 3/8" rebar for a shaft, talk about 0 torque!
It actually felt pretty good, just heavy as hell.💪

Eguller

ode 🙃...torque reducing heads

Shame they used the term zero torque when (LAB) lie angle balanced was more descriptive. 🙄

ode

Eguller does not have the same ring to it!

sdandrea1

Typhoon wouldn’t every single PGA tour player be using one?

I've seen a lot of missed putts on tour with these LAB things. It still comes down to hitting the right line at the right speed. Whatever gets you there often is what should be in your bag.

ValueGolf

Typhoon And if it worked for everyone, wouldn’t every single PGA tour player be using one?

I don't understand why this is an argument that a club is not impressive tech. It DOESN'T work for everyone, clearly. Why would the best putters on Tour even think about changing what works?

The fun/interesting part about paying attention to what PGA players do as far as equipment is when they are "struggling" with an aspect of their game, and what equipment patch they may try to put over it. That's what gets my radar up - and is an indication that maybe there's something out there that's different that helps. When LAB started to get traction with a pretty weird look/concept for players that were struggling with their putting, and you saw their numbers improve, that can move the needle. And it clearly did for LAB.

Spuzz

sdandrea1 It still comes down to hitting the right line at the right speed.

A long time ago at FGI, there was a "thing" where many experimented with graphite shafts in their putters. Why? Because we could. lol
IIRC, the results were the same for most people. Meh.
The extra flex or torque was hard to handle, especially in heads that were heavier
(more than 340g "standard") which was also a new-ish manufacturer trend at the time. Most heads these days are 350+
It died a quick death, I believe.
So is having a graphite shaft in your putter another marketing "trend/BS" or a case of what's old is new again? Just curious.
I cannot imagine using a graphite shaft in my newly re-shafted 400g Yes putter.
I did attempt a few short putts inside with a firm graphite iron shaft taped in it, and it was still "flexxy".
I imagine long putts would be outta here on a real green.

Typhoon

sdandrea1 . It still comes down to hitting the right line at the right speed. Whatever gets you there often is what should be in your bag.

Truth… the end.

Sneakylong

sdandrea1 It still comes down to hitting the right line at the right speed

True…… And it’s speed that dictates line.

sdandrea1

Spuzz

I'm no physicist, but would the "force" of even a long putt cause a graphite shaft to twist or flex? I would think that the only effect for me would be on the overall weight of the club and the swingweight/feel when using graphite. I think one of the reasons my hickory putter feels so good is because of the shaft material and weight (and brass inserts). I stand on the opinion that if it feels right in your hands, looks right at address and you putt well with iit, buy it.

SMT

Spuzz I actually have a graphite shaft in my putter, It is an ancient Arnold Palmer AP40 model and I love the club, always have.

candukid

Spuzz
Ya see? That is the beauty of a centre shafted putter. If you hit it correctly, you have zero twisting of the shaft. That is why you can get away with graphite. Not so with a heel shafted stick.

ode

ValueGolf I think we see a ton that PGA Tour players do, be it belly, long, counter balanced, and more recently the braced against the arm method, and don't forget grip, how many variables of that do we see. Some of these golfers would not be playing on tour if they didn't change things up. I don't like the look but if I tried one and it worked I'd absolutely put it in the bag!

Spuzz

SMT I actually have a graphite shaft in my putter, It is an ancient Arnold Palmer AP40

So you're saying "what's REALLY old is new again?"

Sneakylong

SMT I am a BIG fan of these vintage Bullseye putters

Brother in Law gave me this one below. He has ~ a dozen of the Acushnet John Reuters Bulls Eye putters.

He swears by them. Turned his putting around. Of course he did switch to the claw grip ~ the same time. 🙄

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