If you are serious about acquiring a machine, I think you should start by learning how to spell the thing you want to make. It's espresso, not expresso.

    rsvman2 🤣I thought he was looking for a no hands-on machine to do replies on GB. Was wondering why so much coffee was going to be needed.

    Are you looking for espresso-like coffee or real, honest to goodness espresso?

    One of those two options costs a good bit more than the other due to requiring a competent and usually standalone grinder.

      pellmell

      Thanks, I've come across these while searching with the manual lever- looks interesting for sure

      AdamMH

      Well, I'd like close to a true espresso if possible but i also don't want to spend thousands on a machine either.

        shokosugi without diving too deep, a Gaggia Classic machine and Fellow Opus grinder is what I'd choose if I had to spend in a "least for the most" kind of way. There's a learning curve to getting a good shot out too, but we'll call that part of the fun... 😁

        That pairing has worked quite well for one of my friends for the last few months.

          AdamMH

          Thanks man, yeah the Gaggia classic ev pro is on my shortlist with the breville as they are both at a similar price point- i'm hoping i can find a Black Friday deal on one of these

          The grind is important. My Kroger has a grinder on the coffee aisle where you take the whole beans and run them through the grinder and back into the bag for purchase. The espresso grind on that machine just happens to works perfectly with my machine. My wife once brought me some ground by Starbucks - It was so fine that my cheap Cuisinart doesn't have the pressure to run through reliably - so keep that in mind when considering your options. The downside to grinding on the store grinder is that purists say you should only grind what is needed immediately as the beans will stay fresher in whole form. My palate isn't sensitive enough to tell if the beans were ground minutes ago or three weeks ago though. I also have a hand crank grinder, which takes a lot of work for a double shot, but works well when properly adjusted. It took me a long time to dial it in though, even a little too coarse makes a very noticeable difference in the quality of the outcome. And the finer you grind, the longer you have to run the crank. The handle is removable though so I could chuck it into my cordless grill if I really get lazy.

            rsvman2 maybe hes on to a new technique🤔...🙃

            pellmell looks interesting.....gonna have to read up on that contraption!

            johnnydoom The downside to grinding on the store grinder is that purists say you should only grind what is needed immediately as the beans will stay fresher in whole form.

            No. The downside of the store grinder is when someone grinds a # of banana cream before you grind yours. I guarantee that some of that banana will mess with the taste of your espresso.

              Walterjn That makes sense. I haven’t had that happen yet, but I can certainly see the contamination factor of using a community grinder.

              Walterjn

              Yeah, don't need to worry about that. Once i decide on a machine, the next step is to find a good grinder

                shokosugi look at ceramic burr grinders. Not cheap, however they will be very consistent, you should be able to find one fairly easily.

                johnnydoom The grind is important... It was so fine that my cheap Cuisinart doesn't have the pressure to run through reliably

                The grind needs to be completely different on pressurized (rather coarse) and regular (very fine) filters. Most machines can work with both kind of filters altough the small 51mm ones are optimised to work with pressurized filters, the larger 58mm machines are optimised for regular filters. Capuccinos and lattes are best made with pressurised filters, the real deal espresso with unpressurised. If you want a versitile espresso maker that accepts all kind of filters look for 20 bar pressure or more.

                Regular filter single layer with a lot of holes at the bottom:

                Pressurized filter double layer with one hole at the bottom:

                On those small 51mm machines one can also use ESE-pads (Easy Serve Espresso) with the right adapted filter. It's an easy way to start becomming a barista : right grind, right dose, stays fresh and most mayor Italian coffee brands have them. One can easely find such a filter on Amazon if it is not included with the machine. Downside for a double dose one needs to charge twice; there's no 2 cup ESE-pads/filter.

                The ESE filter:

                The coffee I use (0.15€/dose):

                My machine Hkoenig 20 bar (100€):

                I currently use the Bambino, works "well".
                I had the Saeco Aroma, which made a deeper/richer brew, but zero automation.
                See if you can find a used Saeco Aroma~$100?
                Mine is 20 years old and still running when gifted.
                You will need a very good burr grinder for all machines, maybe used as well.
                People tend to either upgrade and stick with home brewing or never use the stuff they have.
                Either way, plenty of used machines and grinders to be had starting off cheap.
                Kinda of like $12 shipped.
                All your questions can be answered here:
                https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com
                Lots of reviews and videos, etc.