Great Article for the Loft Jacking people

Typhoon · 2024-08-22T18:16:11+00:00

An excerpt from /about Ping Everything about the PING i530 irons screams ball speed. The forged maraging steel face is the same technology PING uses in its...

toraider

KCee I still might order these with their "Retro Spec" lofts.

I did this when I ordered my irons, I needed the extra loft with my Negative AoA swing flaw.

Sparky

Typhoon Hitting PW into a green is far more automatic than hitting an 8 iron. Doesn’t matter what the loft is.

Exactly why I printed out 13 "PW" labels and put them over all my club numbers. Much easier to hit a PW.

sdandrea1

Sparky Exactly why I printed out 13 "PW" labels and put them over all my club numbers. Much easier to hit a PW.

Giphy - Cracking Up Lol GIF

Sparky, you're the best🤣

sdandrea1

ode Club length is longer, shaft is lighter and in some cases the head is lighter and essentially made to prior spec with a different # on it.

So essentially, your new 7 iron now has an 8 on the sole. 👍

My PXG0211 8 iron is the same length, loft and swing weight as several of my old school 7 irons. I bought 8-GW so I could play what I consider to be 7-PW. I STILL have to add a 52 and 56 wedge to the set.

Luc_Van_Daele

I've played both of these side by side (reshafted with the exaclty same shafts, grips, lenghts and swingweights):

PING I3 blade 7 Iron : lenght 36.75" loft 34.5° lie 63° (black dot) sw D1
PING I-blade 7 Iron : lenght 37" loft 34° lie 62° (+1° blue dot) sw D2

Marketing said every new club was longer, straighter and more forgiving then the one from the previous year. With the I-blade the claim was only straighter and more forgiving but not longer since the set was made (on popular demand) with old school lofts. I did not find any difference in playing lenght, ball flight or dispertion with center and off-center hits. Only had a small preference in feel for the old I3's, so I sold the newer I-blades. Compairing clubheads with the same specs but 17 years of technology apart did not convince me of a lot of progress.

sdandrea1

Luc_Van_Daele Compairing clubheads with the same specs but 17 years of technology apart did not convince me of a lot of progress.

Hence the IsI irons in my current bag. The ZING2 will probably get more play while I reshaft the ISI to graphite. I contend that if your goal with an iron is to hit it a certain distance (NOT as far as possible), then why is an iron that goes farther a better club? Irons are irons, wedges are wedges. I'll die on this hill.🤣

Stu1961

sdandrea1
Because the iron that goes further now allows me to hit to the distances that age and injury, despite my best efforts with over-swinging, no longer allowed me to reach. If someone offers me the Fountain of Youth … I’m drinking! At some point I’ll no longer be able to dip into that well - but until then, why not delude myself into thinking I haven’t lost anything by using all the tech available?

Typhoon

Why do people shorten their drivers?

Luc_Van_Daele

Typhoon Why do people shorten their drivers?

I actually have 2 in my bag : one Titleist 12° set at 10.5° at 45" and one Acer Thriver 14° at 44". 1st one I use if I need the distance, 2nd one if I need accuraty. It's not only club lenght, but also loft that makes the difference.

SMT

Typhoon Why do people shorten their drivers?

To fit in their sports cars

Par4QC

Typhoon
I'll answer this as nicely as I can.
Because they are damn fools🤣. Or afraid of trying something the other way...longer.
I see a ton of driver shafts being sold every day. And they are all short of standard. Why are they being sold??
I seldom see standard or even longer than shafts being resold.

My question is....did they also shorten the other clubs in their bag? Why not, if no?????

rsvman2

Typhoon I thought this was a rhetorical question, but since people posted answers, I will given you mine: to find the center of the clubface more frequently.
Sure, they will lose a litlltle bit of clubhead speed, but if they strike it better, they will get better results even with the lower swing speed.

I just bought a new Mizuno driver this spring, and as it comes from the factory the driver is about an inch shorter (or maybe 1.5 inches shorter) than the other OEMs. Works for me.

Par4QC

Stu1961 You can always hit those distances you used to. You just have to use a longer iron. Same loft, but longer length. That's where the OEMs have gone, shorter clubs(irons), lower CG. Sometimes easier to hit as we age.

sdandrea1

Stu1961 Because the iron that goes further now allows me to hit to the distances that age and injury, despite my best efforts with over-swinging, no longer allowed me to reach.

If you can't reach it with your 9 iron, hit your 7 iron. That's my point. Age, loss of flexibility, injury, etc., are all affecting my game. My average drive goes 175 - 180. I find that I have to use more club to reach the greens. I might be hitting a 6 hybrid from a spot where I used to hit an 8 iron. You're saying I should go buy a club that says "8" on the sole that is the same length and loft of my 6 hybrid? I've basically gained nothing but new paintfill.

Par4QC

Had a kid stop by earlier this afternoon, on his way to play. He's looking for newer irons and I'd told him about my Sim2 Max set and would sell them. I told him to come by, take them out and play them to see if he liked them. He has a set of Titleist 755 that he picked up for $50. He just started playing in June.
I told him his 5i is a 28* club. The Sim2 5i is a 21.5* club.....the 7i is 28*. I did let him know he would be hitting much farther per club. He was worried about the set not have a 3 or 4. Told him he would not need it.
About 10 minutes ago, he texted me and said he was hitting the 6i 230 or so. With his Titleist he was around 190.
I told him the price just went up.😅

fatshot

sdandrea1. "I might be hitting a 6 hybrid from a spot where I used to hit an 8 iron. You're saying I should go buy a club that says "8" on the sole that is the same length and loft of my 6 hybrid? I've basically gained nothing but new paintfill."

I'm grudgingly coming to that realization myself, Steve.....!!! 😞

Stu1961

sdandrea1
Well, so far, age and injury has just dropped my 2 and 3 irons out of the bag. Hitting a 7 instead of a 9 to a distance is fine … but what do I hit to the 4 and 5 iron distances? Fill the bag with hybrids? Maybe you are as good or better with a 6 hybrid as you were with your 8 iron, but if you could still hit that green with an 8 iron (same length shaft, same trajectory as previous) … you wouldn’t want to?

Par4QC

Stu1961 age and injury ....................... Hitting a 7 instead of a 9 to a distance is fine … but what do I hit to the 4 and 5 iron distances?

😅A very rude awakening is going to happen some day. You will discover that there are no '4 & 5 iron distances' in your game. They will become fw club distances instead. And you have already moved up to the forward tees, to top that all off!
But, ya know what....you are still going to score the same(maybe better) and enjoy the game just as you have.

That said, last Sunday I played with an 'older' couple. He was hitting his irons really well and long from the reg. tees. Maybe around the 5th hole or so, I noticed what he was using. Tommy Armour 845S, which are classic for their weak lofts....32* 6i.
Hate that man.

sdandrea1

Stu1961 but if you could still hit that green with an 8 iron (same length shaft, same trajectory as previous) … you wouldn’t want to?

No. I don't care what club I need to use. I just want to hit the green. 👍. I've got an ELEVEN wood in my bag.

sdandrea1

Stu1961 Fill the bag with hybrids?

Whatever it takes. 👍. As I've aged, my ego has "softened", my shafts are lighter, my tee boxes are closer to the green, my scores are lower and golf is FUN!

There are LARGE groups of players across the world playing golf with hickory shafted original clubs that are over 100 years old. Some are restorations, some are new replicas. Many of those guys are OLD and still are scratch handicappers. I've met and played hickory golf with them. One can enjoy the game without drinking the OEM kool-aid.

I'm not saying that the new stuff isn't good, I'm just saying it isn't NECESSARY.

P.S. I have a short set of PXG 0211 irons. 😉

Par4QC

sdandrea1 I'm not saying that the new stuff isn't good, I'm just saying it isn't NECESSARY.

I've been playing/scoring the same with sets that have 29* 6i & sets that have 25* 6i, 45* 9i & 41* 9i. If I gotta use a 7i or 8i instead of a 9i, so be it. No one needs a 3 or 4i any more. They are the new 5i. And not even a full inch shorter.
Too much fuss about club #s and lofts. Just choose the club you know you can hit the distance the shot is calling for.
Hell....8/10 times you're going to mishit it anyway!! 😉😅

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