johnnydoom explain it above. It was fundamental to our founding and risk/benefits will always exist in the world. Your priorities and mine are different and that is where both of us having the freedom to choose what we want for ourselves is important. To choose what you want others to do is a different matter and for most of our history Americans have not wished to have others tell them what to do.

Yup, very different. We have regulation by government in every aspect of life. We have the rule of law in this country. So we have guidelines as to what people can or can’t do. So people can’t do whatever they feel like doing.

As a civilized society this is how it works. In a civilized society ones persons freedom shouldn’t infringe on another person’s right to live.

      Sneakylong e have regulation by government in every aspect of life. We have the rule of law in this country.

      And there are many of us, including myself that think it has gone way too far already and that now the law is a weapon against us and not a protection for us. How many laws do we have? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands? Is there a judge, lawyer, law enforcement officer in the country that can even claim to know what ten percent of them are?

          Sneakylong

          Sneakylong Shooting at the Super Bowl Parade in Kansas City. Multiple people injured. Initial reports say at least 10 people shot. Three critical and 5 serious. At least one dead. Parade ruined because of idiots with guns. Another new low for the country.

          This is what got you idiots all riled up 6 days ago? Find a hobby and grow up. 6 days ago…🙄

                johnnydoom

                Maybe we can find some common ground, or maybe not. Are you in favor of idiots being able to purchase assault rifles / weapons of war with no training or license and walk around in society?

                Would you be in favor of the same regarding driving an automobile?

                    Sneakylong Would you be in favor of the same regarding driving an automobile?

                    Are you trying to tell me any idiot can't drive an automobile? Last time I was at the DMV the place was full of people I might never give any responsibility to given a small snapshot of their behavior, but most left with a license.

                    To answer your other question, yes. I believe the founders had good judgement.

                        johnnydoom Are you trying to tell me any idiot can't drive an automobile?

                        Thought it was clear. You have to pass a test to drive a car. Need a license.

                        Some states don’t even make idiots pass a test or get a license to own a gun. Let alone a weapon of war designed for inflicting as much damage to an human and as quickly as possible.

                        Again, most people who want more done don’t want to take guns away from responsible gun owners. But how about we make it a little more difficult to keep guns out of the hands of idiots?

                        At least be consistent in your argument. Be in favor of idiots driving legally with no training, no license along with those same idiots to own and operate an assault weapon, or any gun for that matter.

                        We make people jump thru all kinds of hoops for safety reasons. Why no hoops for idiots or anyone to jump thru for guns?

                        The founders had great common sense, judgement and insight. That’s why they gave us the constitution and the bill of rights.

                        Not sure they’d be ok with the carnage we see today in this country regarding guns. Even the conservative justice Scalia said in the Heller case that the 2nd amendment isn’t absolute.

                        Municipalities can decide on regulations. But for some reason in many cases we don’t.

                            Sneakylong Looking at the automotive death curves over the years, the per capita rate didn't change much from 1930 - 1970 when the drivers testing requirements were implemented. They did drop after seat belts and air bags became mandatory, but there is no obvious evidence that testing affected anything.

                                johnnydoom

                                Disagree. But where would you draw your line. Allow a 10 year old to drive a car? No requirement or test to pass to prove you know the rules of the road? What regulations / training would you put on operating a vehicle?

                                To have the same requirements (none) to drive as we have for guns would be ludicrous.

                                    Sneakylong Allow a 10 year old to drive a car?

                                    If they can pass the test then why not? You just provided the answer as to why testing is virtually worthless. 10 year olds aren't allowed to drive because they are known by and large not to understand consequences of behavior and responsibility. Having said that, there are many 10 year olds that I would trust behind the wheel more so than many adults that are cleared to legally drive. Fatal accidents generally don't happen because of a lack of operator skill, but is much more likely because the operator is impaired, distracted, aggressive, or reckless.

                                        johnnydoom If they can pass the test then why not? You just provided the answer as to why testing is virtually worthless. 10 year olds aren't allowed to drive because they are known by and large not to understand consequences of behavior and responsibility. Having said that, there are many 10 year olds that I would trust behind the wheel more so than many adults that are cleared to legally drive. Fatal accidents generally don't happen because of a lack of operator skill, but is much more likely because the operator is impaired, distracted, aggressive, or reckless.

                                        I think we've reached the bottom of the rabbit hole. lol Let's just leave it that we disagree completely. Which is ok. Again, appreciate the civil discussion / disagreement. Life goes on..............

                                          johnnydoom there are many 10 year olds that I would trust behind the whee

                                          I think this movie was already on Netflix

                                            @Sneakylong

                                            Comparing auto ownership/driving to firearm ownership is not really a comparison…Auto ownership/ Driving is a privilege granted by the State, thus the need for a license and insurance. Firearm ownership is a Right of a citizen affirmed by the Constitution. The Supreme Court has affirmed that Constitutional Rights are not subject to conditions - for example, poll tax, reading tests to vote, etc. also, many, if not all, State Constitutions also contain clauses affirming the Right to firearm ownership. There are rules and regulations around firearms, actually several thousand, but effectively there are 300 unique laws around firearms. What law would you propose that would have stopped/prevented the shooting in Kansas City, short of a ban????

                                              Typhoon This is what got you idiots all riled up 6 days ago? Find a hobby and grow up. 6 days ago…🙄

                                              Nope, it's all the BS that came after it. We all know where that stuff is meant to be discussed but some people are so arrogant that they feel their opinions must be forced on everybody. I'm actually in favor of some gun control, so it's not that I necessarily disagree with some of the postings, it's just not the place, you (not you) know it's not the place and you still want to ram your opinions down other people's throats, even after being warned (not by me I might add) that this was Water hazard material. It's the pure arrogance that gets me more than the actual topic.

                                                raggmann54 What law would you propose that would have stopped/prevented the shooting in Kansas City, short of a ban???

                                                Make it illegal for anyone who has attended a Jerry Springer show to own a gun or vote. If you're a fan of Jerry Springer, but watch on TV, you can purchase a sling shot. Apologies in advance if I've offended any buzzers.

                                                  sdandrea1
                                                  Well, they probably just take the license you show up with and hand you a new one…No test involved…They just figure if you passed the test 60 years ago you’re still good…

                                                    Sneakylong We have the rule of law in this country.

                                                    We used to have the rule of law. That unfortunately ended on January 6th 2021.
                                                    There... not calling anyone out, not cussing anyone out, not directing my observation at any individuals. Just stating a fact. We lost the peaceful transfer of power. And it continues each and every day. Seems some are accepting of that.

                                                        professor That unfortunately ended on January 6th 2021.

                                                        I actually agree with you. Not in the same sense that you mean, but yeah.