Bravopilot Hard to tell
I'm biased, but I don't think it is too hard to tell.
LIV Players and Participation in The Masters Golf Tournament
Sneakylong The list is very long on what (good) protests have done for the country starting with the Boston Tea Party.
So right. I hardly ever pay taxes when I breathe fresh air....outside only, btw.
You cannot take a shit without paying taxes. Think about it. Unless you do it in the woods. And no one sees you.
Par4QC Where I live they turned to fees so they can remind us before elections, they lowered/did not raise taxes. Believe your example requires a fee--paid in advance. Thank you very much.
johnnydoom Agreed
Bravopilot Ahhh, yes. Big diff.....taxes vs. 'fees'. I forgot. Fees are why taxes are so low, makes perfect sense.
Sneakylong And btw, you do know what satire is, correct? 
johnnydoom Their own countries have no sanctions against the Saudi Arabia. Not sure why the golfers would, or should, be held to a higher standard than their own governments have. It's their right to protest though, and I'm sure they are being compensated in some way for it.
This exactly.
Eguller How long will it be before the 3000+ US citizens murdered, mostly by Saudi nationals
Maybe I'm just not remembering but is there ANY evidence that the Saudi state was involved in 911 and not just some of their citizens? I for one would not want to be held responsible for all the terrible things lone wolf Americans did all over the world.
And if there was proof we should have bombed the shit out of them and worrying about something as trivial as LIV wouldn't be an issue.
johnnydoom Well said
garyt1957 And if there was proof we should have bombed the shit out of them and worrying about something as trivial as LIV wouldn't be an issue.
From all I can tell, not all of the investigation results into the event have been released and are classified. Currently,
it appears that 9/11 group and others are still trying to get the info released. Good luck with that.
Like other things the Saudis have done, they believe they helped fund, etc. their efforts in 9/11.
Eguller If the U.S. government is hiding incriminating evidence against a group that funded and/or organized terrorists that killed U.S. citizens, then the protesters have chosen the wrong entity to protest.
Eguller Like other things the Saudis have done, they believe they helped fund, etc. their efforts in 9/11.
And we taught them how to fly!
garyt1957 I for one would not want to be held responsible for all the terrible things lone wolf Americans did all over the world.
And yet, a lot of times we are. I would never set foot outside the U.S. myself. I no longer gamble, esp. with my/on my life.
This states their case very well. From recently released documents, it appears the Saudis helped.
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Eguller So, if you have some rogue employees that keep doing things you know absolutely nothing about, you are responsible for their actions? You gave them bonuses, and salary to spend.
What about that gal that was denied entry to the Rockettes? Maybe she was doing things 'on her own', for her company.
I'm not defending any damn foreign country, just saying things are written the way Americans want them written. Due diligence, please.
Eguller the Saudis helped
Correct...Saudis.....does not say 'Saudi gvt.' directly. If...I read it right.
Eguller This states their case very well.
The only thing that does is make me believe that the kooky conspiracy theories that the U.S. secretly organized the whole thing to gin up an excuse for wars to enrich the military industrial and government complex might possibly have had some merit.
Yup, know what satire is. Sometimes hard to decipher from nonsense. Lol
You can go outside of the U.S.. Just make sure it’s a country that is a democracy. Anyone who travels to a country that isn’t is taking a big chance.
That info came from the recently released, declassified FBI investigation, not some conspiracy theory.
Eguller It supports the conspiracy theory. Why would the U.S. Gov. suppress Saudi involvement? Saudis were asked to facilitate attack? Saudi money going to politicians? Saudis have photos of U.S. President cavorting with loose women? It certainly wouldn't be the oil. We could've sent the military in and took the oil for ourselves if we had the justification that they were funding the terrorists. Maybe I'm overlooking some other possibilities, but the first two seem to make the most sense if the incriminating evidence was available and deliberately suppressed.
I'm watching the Masters because it's The MASTERS, dammit!
I am watching because I like the Majors. About the only golf I watch anymore.
sdandrea1 Incur fee regardless
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Sneaky, your examples seems to be an apple vs orange, protesting government vs protesting private enterprises.
This group refuses to accept the 9/11 reports and other documents that have been made available, Other than the nationality of individuals is the only focal point without evidence to back up their claims. I think the closest they come to getting the Saudi govt linked is one or two individuals on the west coast who aide one or two of the attackers, not clear this was govt approved or these were two individual who believed in the attackers cause.
IMO protesting the LIV players playing at golf courses is too far of a reach to be protesting the govt. Where is this group for the ladies golfers?
I'm watching the masters, its entertainment, its not where I go to get social information, including news. Its to relax and enjoy, admire some level of skills we most likelly will never achieve. Of course there are the occassional bloopers which we can all relate too, and enjoy.
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Not really (apples and oranges). In an Autocracy (Russia) or Theocracy (Iran) private enterprise operates at the discretion of the dictatorship. Putin has thrown heads of businesses in jail for trumped up reasons.
The rule of law is what they say it is. Regardless, the bottom line is whether protesting or boycotting government or private enterprise it's a protected right here in the U.S.. Because we're a democracy.
As for whether the Saudi government had a hand in 9-11 we may never know for sure. Bin Laden's family had close ties to the Royal family which is vast in itself.
And Al Qaeda was originally funded by the Saudis to fight the then Soviet Union in Afghanastan. So connection may be subjective.
I know the late Bob Graham (Florida Governor and Senator) had serious questions whether the Saudi government had ties to 9-11. But we'll probably never know for sure.
As for protesting the Masters. I have no problem with anyone protesting just about anything. It shouldn't bother anyone either imo. Again, it's their protected legal right.
And I'll watch the Masters as well. I'll just have my rooting interests. Both for and against.
The Masters is not my favorite Major. Not a fan of the way they operate. But it's a private club, so... Women protesting the Masters several years ago was fine by me.
I remember some saying women were allowed to play Augusta National, if their husbands were members. lol
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Sneakylong it's a protected right here in the U.S
Only to a point. Not when gvt. or business is being disrupted, as most often happens in these cases. People forget the meaning of 'peaceful' during those times, and forget 'boundaries'. They are unprotected when it to comes to that point, which is far too often.
And yes, I do realize sometimes the disruptions come from those opposing the protests. Which (opposition) is far more than those doing it, btw. Every time/every protest.
People want to read the Constitution as it was written. The writers' intent is not always as read. Some of it is lacking for modern times, but was fine for the times when written. Things do change.
Par4QC Love when some cities require your protected protest right to have a permit and then isolate where you can have a protected protest. Of The Masters let the women protest about 100 miles away.
Read this in a sarcastic light
Bravopilot That's fine. If it was their property, they did not want 'trespassers'.
This is what gets almost all protestors in trouble....not knowing/realizing/keeping within, the boundaries. Both real, and 'made up/set forth' in any permits. You break the law, you are not protected.
And a good question.....what is the diff between a protest and a demonstration?
Par4QC Intent
Bravopilot Yet demonstrators keep crying...."my right". Not!
