Super League Predictions

toraider · 2022-02-16T17:35:31+00:00

So, aside from BDC, who's going to the Saudi League? A lot of chatter on this subject recently...

Bravopilot

DonM Agreed, yet Mickelson was/is hammered to state out loud LIV is the leverage the players can use to drive the Tour to more transparency and players' rights to their image. He was right about the US Ryder Cup process after the failed Watson effort.

KCee

Sneakylong Yup. It has a name 'whataboutism'.

I might disagree in this case. Do you know for certain that the specific Saudis sponsoring LIV golf have committed atrocities? I am not a fan of the Saudi nation, but I don't doubt that our nation has done worse. If someone chose not to deal with any nation, company etc that was involved in something awful they would likely need to shut themselves off from the whole world. Not exactly whataboutism IMO.

Eguller

KCee Do you know for certain that the specific Saudis sponsoring LIV golf have committed atrocities?

It is a very large sum of $$$$ and there really is only one source according to the reliable reports.

Sneakylong

KCee

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud

The Saudi Royal family is huge and has vast wealth. That’s the source of the money.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Salman

MBS runs the show right now in Saudi Arabia. To believe he is unaware of atrocities is naive.

And respectfully disagree. People who divert away from the Saudi’s record on human rights / atrocities and their attempt to sportswash it all away with the argument that other countries do the same, is trying to delegitimize the criticism. AKA ‘whataboutism’.

garyt1957

KCee I tend to agree The Chinese have done way worse than the Saudis could even imagine and yet we all have Chinese products in our home. It all just seems a little selective to me .The Saudis killed a reporter? Do you realize how many reporters have disappeared in China? There are still scientists missing who dared to speak out during the early stages of the covid crisis.
If a player wants to make a personal stand I think that's great. But I won't hold any ill will to those who do play.

Taki27

Nobody cared where the money came from when the Tours were sanctioning events in Saudi Arabia. It's not until there is a competitor that they have issues.

I can't see how the PGA Tour wins any lawsuits and retains their Non-Profit status (the title of which is the biggest joke going in all walks of life. The head of a Non-Profit often makes in the millions).

KCee

Sneakylong I have no love for the Saudis, but avoiding dealing with ANY entity that has no history of wrong doing would be very difficult. If I chose to do that I would definitely have to leave the USA. The last company I worked for sold weapons to the Saudis (approved by our gov't). I didn't like it, but I needed a paycheck....should I be cancelled? I probably bought gas that originally came from the Saudis......cancel me. Again I don't like them, but I'd probably take their millions and donate at least 25% to fighting/righting their atrocities. I'm not going to throw stones at DJ from my glass house.

Sneakylong

KCee

It’s a messy complicated world. And we all have our own lines in the sand.

I have no control over what our government does except by voting etc.. But I do have full control over what I personally find objectionable and can exercise my own form of protest.

Which consists of voicing my opinion and protesting by boycotting. In this case not watching any of the LIV tournaments (if they find a broadcasting partner lol).

And yeah, any player who participates in an LIV tournament is persona non grata to me.

Eguller

KCee but I'd probably take their millions and donate at least 25% to fighting/righting their atrocities

You make some very good points. How about 100%. Everyone/country has problems, It goes to the extent.

I simply don't care for their history: most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, indescribable killings, treatment of
women, many more issues. I vote with my wallet and will not support bad actors in any way possible if I can.
Many previous Sponsors are doing the same.

sdandrea1

Lefty is IN?

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/report-phil-mickelson-to-play-all-eight-saudi-league-events

johnnydoom

sdandrea1 He might as well. It’s not like the cancel culture will ever forgive him.

Par4QC

sdandrea1 Ya'll might want to check dates of articles before posting them.

Did you not think it odd that Phil was only being paid $30M, when DJ just signed up for $150M....and there is no mention of him in that article?

sdandrea1

johnnydoom

Yep. He can actually hide there since the only people aware of the LIV tour is a dozen Golfbuzzers and the players themselves. 😂

Sneakylong

Par4QC Did you not think it odd that Phil was only being paid $30M, when DJ just signed up for $150M

I had heard that Phil was in with the Saudi's for $130 million. I would think any agent would advise the player to get the money up front in case it goes belly up.

Even if a player signs for x amount of tournaments and they end up going defunct the money gets banked. I would also think a player would have to get enough money up front in case the LIV folds (hopefully it will) and the player gets banned from returning to the PGA Tour.

ode

Na resigns from PGA. Bold move to go to LIV! bolder move to resign🤔. I dunno, but was not expecting this. Commentators are saying those who resign would stay out of any future court battles and stand back and let it all unfold.

garyt1957

ode Na resigns from PGA. Bold move to go to LIV! bolder move to resign🤔. I dunno, but was not expecting this. Commentators are saying those who resign would stay out of any future court battles and stand back and let it all unfold.

And maybe by resigning they can't ban him? He's no longer a member of the PGA Tour so they have no say in where he plays. If he tries to comeback to the PGA later maybe they can't ban him? Got to b e something like that going on for him to resign

Par4QC

ode Not such a bad move, if compared to any normal 'job'. If offered a better salary, with much less work, no layoffs(cuts), most people jump on it. Esp. as you get older. Plus, the new job has much better perks/bonuses. Travel/accommodations paid for.
Yes, the new company could close its doors unexpectedly, but that's a chance any time, for any company.

ode

garyt1957 depends on if there is lawsuits and what the courts say. If they rule in favor of PGA then he is SOL if he ever wants to come back. Rule in favor of players then he could come right back or have a pathway....but what status will he have at that time? And how will the USGA/R&A, Masters respond to the LIV players who have previously qualified. Na has decided but what about those who try to do both...there will have to be at least one to see what the PGA does and start the legal stuff.

Luc_Van_Daele

garyt1957 by resigning they can't ban him

And they can't make him pay a fine... I bet the PGA will be cashing in on some LIV money as well and the fines for those who play London will be close to what they earn on the LIV tour; those who refuse to pay will be banned.

garyt1957

ode My point is, he now does not belong to the Tour so even if the lawsuits work out in favor of the PGA can they ban him? The PGA says they'll ban Tour members who cross over. He's not on the PGA Tour so can they ban him down the road? It's semantics, I know but isn't a lot of the law semantics?
Just like a young guy who's never played the PGA Tour and goes to LIV, can the PGA Tour later refuse to let him play? He was never a member. Just some thoughts, but I'm not a lawyer and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Spuzz

garyt1957 He's not on the PGA Tour so can they ban him down the road?

Up here, there's a Charter of Rights and Freedoms that says they cannot, imo.
However, a former Tour player would likely lose any previous status and have to start from scratch and qualify for his card, again..
I am bettting for Na, he doesn't care. He'll wait for the Champions Tour.
For a young guy, he would already have to qualify, but he would be doing it with some money in the bank.
Just a Spuzzmusing.

ode

garyt1957 It will be interesting to see it shake out....those will be questions likely decided by the courts if the PGA is challenged.

Eguller

Spuzz However, a former Tour player would likely lose any previous status and have to start from scratch and qualify for his card, again..

That is the way I see it too. There are specific, extensive qualification rules ( ruling out invitationals or
sponsors invites ). 🤔

garyt1957

BTW, with Na resigning the PGA Tour average time per round just dropped significantly

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