At the rate everyone is going, if or when all of these tours finally agree to get along with each other, how are they going to get past what is being said.

I was surprised to discover over 200 US companies are doing business with the Saudis, between oil/petrol we import about 15% plus, our government sells billions in arms to them. We all in one way or the other appear to be using Saudis products, our money heading to the mid east.

But we have come to the point that Saudi sponsored Golf is bad, wrongs and those to part take are evidently the scum of the earth having no morals, ethics, or integrity. Who would have thought in the US chasing the dollar would cause such an uproar.

I hope they all come together, if not I hope LIV buys out the DP, puts more money in womens golf round the world, create some world class events for everyone. They have money let them use it for something that benefits others.

Billy Horschel's take. He makes a good point for those who say they want to play both LIV and the PGA Tour, but play less golf. LIV will go to 14 events next year and you have to play a minimum of 15 events to fulfill your PGA Tour contract. 29 events is not less golf.

    Sneakylong Nice to hear Billy's comments. He's an insider and knows a lot more than I do, but it is obvious to anyone that is paying attention that the (currently successful) players who are leaving are doing so because they have an issue with Monahan. I'm glad that Horschel doesn't, but others clearly do.

        This from 2017.....

        John Deere has been named the official golf course turf equipment provider of the PGA of America.

        I guess this contract won't be renewed, given the amount of business JD does in Saudi Arabia. Must be the last year also for the JDC, last week.

        Who are the true hypocrites????

        And, I do have to assume, The PGA will be moving their headquarters to Europe, what with the U.S. doing so much business there(SA)also. Let's be fair & honest, when we talk of others.

        johnnydoom

        I agree. I guess I'm most curious about what the REAL issue is.

        But we would be stupid to not take into account the current culture we are now stuck with today.

        We now have elite college athletes making their decisions on which university to attend based on who's willing to pay them more. Even the universities themselves are leaving their longstanding conferences for other conferences based solely on revenue.

        If NBA players aren't getting their share of the spotlight and fame, screw the contractual agreement with the team. I want out. And I want to play with so-and-so and their team, because in the end it helps my brand and my bank account. (Thank you, LeBron James..)

        The same things are happening in other pro sports (MLB and NFL) but it's just disguised a bit better and more sanitized. But the time is coming when it will become obvious.

        So this is where we are in society today, the point where everyone feels entitled to do whatever they want. And not only that, shame on anyone who doesn't agree with what we're doing.

        Enough is never enough.


            PA-PLAYA The money was certainly the most important element for guys like DeChambeau. Keopka (Brooks), and Johnson. It enabled them to sign for as much upfront money as they're likely to make from sponsorships over the next 10 - 20 years anyway. But I'm inclined to believe they still wouldn't have walked away from the tour and the accompanying fame if they didn't have some issue with Monahan. Don't know whether it is purely money, personality clashes, politics, or something else. But as soon as someone came along and gave them a way to make the same or more they were sure eager to leave.

                johnnydoom But as soon as someone came along and gave them a way to make the same or more they were sure eager to leave.

                With rare exceptions of those that joined, they all had plenty of money, and income from sponsors. More than they will ever use. So, I don't think it was money. Perhaps more of the thought of a take-over. And stopping a monopoly, that is getting too strong for it's own good.

                    " for those who say they want to play both LIV and the PGA Tour"

                    Who are they?
                    Haven't heard one ex PGA player say they want to play both. I think they left knowing that was it for the PGA
                    Only see DP guys that want to play "their" tour (hence the lawsuits), since they helped make it more known.

                    Horschel is outspoken and that's ok by me, but he isn't telling the whole story either, and is making assumptions.
                    15 PGA events (plus mandatory Pro Ams and Sponsor Events like RBC and also playing events they avoided in the past) and that's IF you did well enough to keep your card, and/or make it to the big money Fedex show.
                    How many guys have won the Fedex Cup playing the minimum number of events?
                    I will guess ZERO unless Tiger did it.

                    14 LIV events and 4? DP World Events (required) and play where and when you want after that makes that tour sound much better.

                    I watched that JP McManus Pro-Am tourney the past couple days. Players from all tours, inc. LIV were there. The golf, in itself, was 'pro-am' caliber.
                    But the people.....40,000 watching, and it was (typical) Irish weather, and they did not give 1 damn who played what tour.

                    Who cares who is playing where....except the PGA?

                      Spuzz Do I research into the morals of every dollar I’ve ever made? No, I don’t.

                      If he did, he never would have joined the PGA Tour. No one would, in that case.

                        Par4QC Who cares who is playing where....except the PGA?

                        This makes me laugh, especially hearing from underachiever Fred Couples not being friends with FGJAM anymore, and Rory and Sergio the same thing, based solely on their "friend" leaving the PGA Tour.

                          Sneakylong He makes a point about the schedule, but I have to cancel him because his RLX hoodie is likely from China lol Maybe we need tour vs tour for their own money like us schmoes do on the weekend? I always knew watching golf with the sound off was the right way to go.

                              KCee but I have to cancel him because his RLX hoodie is likely from China lol

                              🙂 Velocity Global (on his hat) lists Saudi Arabia as one of the 185 countries they'll be happy to help you hire for and build a business team in.

                                More from Freddie. The sustainability question is interesting. The Saudi’s can well afford to throw $500 million a year away on golf. But will they?

                                  LMAO
                                  Now Rory is doing an about face and joining Martin Kaymer in sayin there needs to be peace talks between LIV and the PGA, after all the name calling and blah blah blah he initiated.
                                  What a doofus.

                                  PA-PLAYA

                                  I have no problem with the players of any sport getting as much as they can. Certainly wasn't always that way. The NCAA for years wouldn't allow a player to have anyone buy them a coke and now with the NIL's in college football it's completely flipped in the players direction.

                                  And given how much money college football brings into the colleges every year the players now getting a cut doesn't seem to be out of line. Although it flipped big time. And now at least little Nicky Saban won't get the best recruits every year. lol Amateur athletes got screwed for a long time.

                                  The NBA seems to be the most players friendly league out of all the professional sports. They have the most say of any of the leagues anyway. So again, I'm all about players getting as much as they can. No issue there with me.

                                  The source of the money? Now that's a different story.

                                      Sneakylong In your dreams Saban won't get the best recruits. Alabama has rabid fans and they have a lot of rabid fans who are wealthy businessmen.
                                      Some of the lesser schools may have a well of money, too, and may get a few if the biggest names, but don't undersell the ability of a school like Alabama to do whatever it takes to keep themselves in the limelight.