P790 irons… Holy Crap!

Typhoon · 2021-10-12T00:15:28+00:00

I was picking up baskets at the range and one of our members was there and he has a set a few years old. I grabbed the 7 iron. I’ve never hit these outside...

Sneakylong

Par4QC 6i now is around 37.888, when it used to be 37.5 or shorter. So, when I want a set of 6-PW, I know to order 7-GW, plus 1/2". If they feel light

My Sim Max OS irons were ~ 1/4" shorter than my G400's. Yet TM has the Sim Max OS 6 iron spec at 37.88" and Ping has the G400's listed at 37 5/8". 😕 Who knows how they measure. Anyway, I had my Sims lengthened 1/2". I have the Ventus shaft and they're fine for me.

I did order a Sim2 Max OS sand wedge awhile back (no Sim Max OS originals available) and asked for 1/2" over. It came standard length. So I extended it 1/2". I'm going to order the Sim2 Max OS irons this week and will request 1/2" over. Hope they read the spec request this time.

Also, I have not had my Sim Max OS irons checked for swing weight. I assume with the 1/2" added it'll be ~ D3. My G400's I had made to a D1 swing weight and they are D1. I'll have my Sim Max OS irons checked for swing weight this week when I go and order the new Sim2 Max OS irons from Edwin Watts.

Typhoon

Eguller sdandrea1

Will do. My research suggests that the head weights are too light:

Actual weights listed on the heads:
8i = 270g
9i = 277g
PW = 283g

Did they not add the bullet weights in the hosel to bring sw to D0 ???

Seems like another OEM build horror tale. Dan, did you specify a swingweight or were they unable to give you the swing weight you want because they did not install the grips? Seems like their loophole will be “well we didn’t build the entire club”. I dunno… just spitballin.

This is the reason I get fit/built at Ace of clubs. His “we fit you here, we build them here” sounds corny BUT… that’s what he does and he wouldn’t have his great reputation if everything came out wrong. He’s usually not even more money and it’s always perfection or he makes it right.

I just don’t trust OEM builds… I think they just take any shaft and throw it in the head and throw a grip on it. There’s no “craftsmanship”… it’s all about throwing the shit together and getting it out the door

Par4QC

Typhoon Seems like another OEM build horror tale.

When I pulled the shafts from my Sim irons, it only took 5 sec. of heat for each one. That's an eyeopener, for sure.

Eguller

Typhoon Dan, did you specify a swingweight or were they unable to give you the swing weight you want because they did not install the grips? Seems like their loophole will be “well we didn’t build the entire club”. I dunno… just spitballin.

Bingo. And, I also think that will be the response by TM. How hard is it to dry fit. THEY ARE THEIR CLUBS !!!

I had lots of Pro Shop credit, so I had to use it there. If I could have ordered all parts in the box not just the
grips, I'd probably be raving about them now. I'd get it right too.

sdandrea1

Par4QC When I pulled the shafts from my Sim irons, it only took 5 sec. of heat for each one

Giphy - Anders Holm Wow GIF

Sneakylong

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-tmag-master-catalog/default/manuals/LengthMeasurementNotice.pdf

Turns out Taylormade changed the way they measure clubs in 2018. They now measure further down on the iron (new ground plane method). Thus a shorter length iron.

They recommend ordering 1/4” over to match irons pre 2018.

Par4QC

Sneakylong They now measure further down on the iron (new ground plane method).

Well, that's just wrong. They should have been using that method from the gitgo, and then build the clubs as stated when listed. You don't buy 1# of beef and only get 14 oz., because they changed the way they weigh things. 38.88 is not 38.13 & 1# is 16 oz..

And now that I think about it, my 790 irons came in short of what was ordered, and so did these Sims, although a stock buy.

Eguller

Par4QC And now that I think about it, my 790 irons came in short of what was ordered,

I just remeasured mine and the 7 iron came in at 37.5" - which to me is 1/2" over as ordered. YMMV.

Interesting that its overall weight is 7g short of my CF16 7i but same length.... Bingo - as predicted.
Head weights are off in that range.

Sneakylong

Par4QC

Yup. That explains why my Sims are shorter than my Pings, despite being listed as longer.

When I first demoed my Sims I was hitting them great in the hitting bay. I said I’ll take them. The Edwin Watts guy said after looking at my demo 7 iron that it was + 1/2”.

So I asked to hit a standard length one. Hit that great as well. I don’t think 1/2” matters that much in my case. I seem to adjust to whatever length the club is.

I see where Cleveland is offering an “accuracy” build that is 1/2” shorter in their new XL Launcher irons. They put an 8 gram weight in the butt end in standard length, but not in the 1/2” accuracy build shorter length.

Typhoon

Ping fucks around with the actual shaft length when you order clubs with the “free” arrcos sensors. When you go to regrip you end up with shorter clubs if you don’t have them do it with the sensors.

Sneakylong

Typhoon Ping fucks around with the actual shaft length when you order clubs with the “free” arrcos sensors. When you go to regrip you end up with shorter clubs if you don’t have them do it with the sensors.

How much is the difference if you regrip them? I've decided to not get the Sim2 Max OS irons and get the Ping G425 SFT woods instead to match my G425 driver. If it's 1/4" shorter or so after regripping without the Arccos I won't mind it.

Typhoon

Sneakylong It was 1/4”.

Eguller

Factory screw up outcome:

I talked to TM about the issues with my NEW P790 irons and they agreed that they should SW at D3 approx.
at 1/2" long over standard. Despite potential side issues, we agreed that I would go through my Club Pro
for a Return Authorization for 'Warranty' repair. Yes, you heard right. He said that he would get them out
and returned to TM tomorrow for me ( for whatever they decide to do to them ). Maybe new, maybe fix
the issue. They would have to remove the shafts, measure and add the correct weight in each iron. OR ...
just say screw it, and set out a new proper set. We'll see what happens. My set is unhit except for the 7i.

I'll update when new info comes in.... 🙄

Par4QC

Eguller Good to hear! May be back too late for any play this year??

I've always wondered about these Club Pro fellas, if they were actual builders, or just do fittings.(?)

Eguller

Eguller we agreed that I would go through my Club Pro
for a Return Authorization for 'Warranty' repair. Yes, you heard right. He said that he would get them out
and returned to TM tomorrow for me

Done. My P790s are on the way and should be in TM hands today or tomorrow for whatever they decide to do.
So far, their customer service is ++.

Eguller

Par4QC if they were actual builders, or just do fittings.(?)

Mostly, just do fittings in my experience. Some are more into it.

I think TM warranty is fairly quick though. I'm expecting 2 weeks or so. Unless the snow flies,
we play all year (mostly). I just need these back in time for Myrtle B. for the month of Feb. 🏌

Typhoon

Awesome news Dan. TM customer service seems to be good but you have to talk to an actual person. On email they’ll tell you to screw. I cracked my RBZ and they told me tough shit… I agree it was out of warranty but it looked like new. I talked to an actually person, sent him pics and They sent me a new driver.

I bet they treat it like a reshaft and you’ll get the same heads back.

Typhoon

You’ll end up wit a lefty set

Eguller

Typhoon You’ll end up wit a lefty set

Hmmm.... I probably could sell it and make a profit - considering the backorder delivery times. 😜

sdandrea1

Typhoon You’ll end up wit a lefty set

🤣🤣

Eguller

Typhoon You’ll end up wit a lefty set

Luckily, NO. The set came back quickly with the swing weights 'dead on' D2 instead of C7.9 - C8.4
I have to say that they did jump on the issue, get it right, and ship fast (FedEx 2-day).
What I still take issue with - ordering custom clubs that were that far off to start.

I've only played one round, but they are making a difference that I attribute to lie angle and balance mostly.
Easy to hit straight, good look at address (similar to PXG0211) and good turf interaction. More later....

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