P790 irons… Holy Crap!

Typhoon · 2021-10-12T00:15:28+00:00

I was picking up baskets at the range and one of our members was there and he has a set a few years old. I grabbed the 7 iron. I’ve never hit these outside...

mikeintopeka

Eguller Hopefully, they are 'hittable' for me tomorrow. It'd be hard to make birdies through tears

I feel like I have a 'vested' interest in your success. After all, I did help with my token contributions in your fundraising for this investment via massive quantities of golf balls you sent to KS. 😆

Eguller

mikeintopeka I feel like I have a 'vested' interest in your success. After all, I did help with my token contributions in your fundraising for this investment via massive quantities of golf balls you sent to KS. 😆

🤣 ........ There are more golf balls where those came from. LOL. Big Calcutta did the trick for the irons.

The jury is still out on the P790's. I have to talk to TM Customer Service on Monday. Hope they are accommodating
with this new purchase to resolve my concerns. More later....

sdandrea1

Eguller The jury is still out on the P790's. I have to talk to TM Customer Service on Monday. Hope they are accommodating
with this new purchase to resolve my concerns. More later....

What happened?

Eguller

sdandrea1 What happened?

Custom ordered them + 1/2" and 1* flat....Check according to the spec sheet. Lamkin Crossline grips in box..... Check.

After grip installation, the clubs swing weighted at C8-C8.5. (and they are + 1/2" !!).
The balance and feel is nothing like the fitting obviously. I expected at least D2 at + 1/2" length.
Too light, unbalance resulting in thin shots. I'll see what they say on Monday.

sdandrea1

Eguller

Must be the way the shaft is balanced? I assume you measured the length yourself, so that is weird unless the grips you installed are very heavy.

Par4QC

Eguller Well, I was hoping you'd get lucky. I knew what to expect after using the shafts myself, but figured that as you'd been to a fitting, it would be OK for you; but still, I questioned it 😉.
Something just is not right about them, along with the way too light head weights.

I'm not understanding how, or why, you were even shown the Ventus shafts during the fitting. They cannot be ordered from TM at all, via the web, in any heads. And, they are an OEM only shaft, for the Sim/Sim II irons.

I recommend the Recoil Dart 75 shafts, if you get to change them out. But I don't think TM has that line.

Eguller

sdandrea1 that is weird unless the grips you installed are very heavy.

Actually, the Crossline 360 grips weight approx 48.5g - lighter than my 'test split' grip.
Can't believe the sw came in that light. I'll check the shaft specs/balance.....

Specs are:
No mention of counterbalance.

FLEX WEIGHT TORQUE TIP SIZE LAUNCH SPIN

S 76G 2.8 .370 MID-HIGH MID-HIGH
R 66G 3.0 .370 HIGH MID-HIGH

sdandrea1

Eguller I'll check the shaft specs/balance.....

So weird. Some OEMs are making clubs now with light swingweights. What is the SW spec on those with their grip?

Eguller

sdandrea1 What is the SW spec on those with their grip?

D0 at standard length. not + 1/2" 🤔

Eguller

Par4QC

Rex - I believe the stock graphite shaft is the Recoil SMACWrap 760 or such. Dart may be an upgrade
if available at all. Trackman showed the Ventus was clearly better than a Recoil for me. ?????

sdandrea1

Eguller

Let us know how t works out.......before Rex orders his! 🤣

Par4QC

Eguller I was never much of a fan of the Recoils. Had some, (the 660's) & didn't work well in the heads I used. Now, just because....I stuck them in those old Toski heads I'm playing. BIG diff, so must have been the darn heads. I have the new Dart 75 in my Cally Apex irons and they are something else!

Eguller Actual weights listed on the heads:
8i = 270g
9i = 277g
PW = 283g

Did they not add the bullet weights in the hosel to bring sw to D0 ???

Same with my Sim heads; 8-11g lighter than what I build to. There was no weights in any of the heads when I pulled the Ventus shafts.

Eguller

sdandrea1

Will do. My research suggests that the head weights are too light:

Actual weights listed on the heads:
8i = 270g
9i = 277g
PW = 283g

Did they not add the bullet weights in the hosel to bring sw to D0 ???
I'll find out Monday.

Par4QC

sdandrea1 That's not gonna happen. Had a set already; now have new Callaway Apex 21's and the Sim Max. May be selling them off soon, if they'll sell.

Next season the only irons in my bag will be 8, 9, SW. That's basically all that's been there the past 2 months.

sdandrea1

Eguller

Yeah, those weights look 5 to 7 g on the light side.

Typhoon

Eguller sdandrea1

Will do. My research suggests that the head weights are too light:

Actual weights listed on the heads:
8i = 270g
9i = 277g
PW = 283g

Did they not add the bullet weights in the hosel to bring sw to D0 ???

Seems like another OEM build horror tale. Dan, did you specify a swingweight or were they unable to give you the swing weight you want because they did not install the grips? Seems like their loophole will be “well we didn’t build the entire club”. I dunno… just spitballin.

This is the reason I get fit/built at Ace of clubs. His “we fit you here, we build them here” sounds corny BUT… that’s what he does and he wouldn’t have his great reputation if everything came out wrong. He’s usually not even more money and it’s always perfection or he makes it right.

I just don’t trust OEM builds… I think they just take any shaft and throw it in the head and throw a grip on it. There’s no “craftsmanship”… it’s all about throwing the shit together and getting it out the door

Eguller

Par4QC Same with my Sim heads; 8-11g lighter than what I build to. There was no weights in any of the heads when I pulled the Ventus shafts.

Do you remember the actual SW of those Sim irons ? WTH - I'd have to have ordered them +1.0" to get
even near a decent SW based on the head weight. I don't get it.

Par4QC

Eguller I do not know what they were, they were just a 'stock' set. But they did feel like feathers. Could not swing them at all. I had the A flex shafts that are under 60g, which I did not realize at the time of purchase.

Like you did, when I order irons, I always get them +1/2" or +1". This is after figuring out how they are getting around building these very low lofted clubs now. I thought the weights must be really low, and I've discovered that to be true. A 6i head is almost the weight of an older 4i, thus the reason they are now adding just a bit of length, to what used to be 'standard'. 6i now is around 37.888, when it used to be 37.5 or shorter. So, when I want a set of 6-PW, I know to order 7-GW, plus 1/2". If they feel light, I will not hesitate to yank them apart and add weights in.
That may not make sense to most, but it has worked well for me this year. It did actually confuse the fellas on the FB golf sites. But, they don't know things like FGI/GB members do.

Eguller

Par4QC If they feel light, I will not hesitate to yank them apart and add weights in.

Used set - sure. But, this is a brand new, custom order $$ iron set and I should not have to do the
work that they should have done. We'll see how it goes....Thanks for the info.

Sneakylong

Par4QC 6i now is around 37.888, when it used to be 37.5 or shorter. So, when I want a set of 6-PW, I know to order 7-GW, plus 1/2". If they feel light

My Sim Max OS irons were ~ 1/4" shorter than my G400's. Yet TM has the Sim Max OS 6 iron spec at 37.88" and Ping has the G400's listed at 37 5/8". 😕 Who knows how they measure. Anyway, I had my Sims lengthened 1/2". I have the Ventus shaft and they're fine for me.

I did order a Sim2 Max OS sand wedge awhile back (no Sim Max OS originals available) and asked for 1/2" over. It came standard length. So I extended it 1/2". I'm going to order the Sim2 Max OS irons this week and will request 1/2" over. Hope they read the spec request this time.

Also, I have not had my Sim Max OS irons checked for swing weight. I assume with the 1/2" added it'll be ~ D3. My G400's I had made to a D1 swing weight and they are D1. I'll have my Sim Max OS irons checked for swing weight this week when I go and order the new Sim2 Max OS irons from Edwin Watts.

Par4QC

Typhoon Seems like another OEM build horror tale.

When I pulled the shafts from my Sim irons, it only took 5 sec. of heat for each one. That's an eyeopener, for sure.

Eguller

Typhoon Dan, did you specify a swingweight or were they unable to give you the swing weight you want because they did not install the grips? Seems like their loophole will be “well we didn’t build the entire club”. I dunno… just spitballin.

Bingo. And, I also think that will be the response by TM. How hard is it to dry fit. THEY ARE THEIR CLUBS !!!

I had lots of Pro Shop credit, so I had to use it there. If I could have ordered all parts in the box not just the
grips, I'd probably be raving about them now. I'd get it right too.

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