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sdandrea1 · 2021-09-27T12:40:17+00:00

Last night's Packers v 49ers OMG.

Typhoon

Sneakylong Hahaha!! I just like to watch the whole game, not highlights. That being said, why are there still people in the stands here at the Patriots game?? It’s cold out, once the Bills got to 24 the Pats showed NO sense of urgency getting downfield. You’d think THEY were in the lead trying to burn the clock. Pats are awful. 2 minutes left down by 17… they have no chance so why not try a touchdown… what good is a field goal?? I mean there’s no hope but have a bit of confidence in the offense and let them stay out.

Liked watching the Bills game plan

Sneakylong

Typhoon

Mac Jones seems to have regressed this season. Could be Matt Patricia being offensive coordinator when his expertise is being defensive coordinator.

I went to bed at halftime after Folk missed the 48 yarder. The Pats dominated the AFC East for years because of Brady. Now that script has flipped. Jones still could become a good quarterback.

Just look at the other former Alabama quarterbacks like Hurts and Tua. It took them sometime to become good NFL quarterbacks. And Zappe looks decent as well.

wishbone

Sneakylong

I think going from McDaniel to Patricia has a lot to do with the regression.

Par4QC

Sneakylong I don't think there is much wrong with Jones, myself. I did watch the whole game. I did see what Jones saw....the same thing going on in Chicago, and maybe a couple other NFL cities.............this sums it up.............

Typhoon

wishbone Sneakylong

I think going from McDaniel to Patricia has a lot to do with the regression

I agree with both of you. I think Judge was helping Patricia early on but I think you guys are 100% correct. And once again McDaniel has proved he’s better off back as an OC. Brady was great but even he would struggle here now. With Josh gone…and basically a shitty offense other than a couple players like Stevenson, Meyers… Brady is proving he’s no miracle worker with Tampa Bay now either with a lot of key players hurt.

Also from last nights game… did Belichick just want to go home? I think they left all 3 time outs on the table to close the game

Sneakylong

Typhoon

Yeah, you can’t lose a top offensive coordinator like McDaniels and expect to not miss a beat. Plus when offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia retired that was a big loss as well.

Scarnecchia was the best offensive line coach in the league.

johnnydoom

Par4QC I don't worry about Jones' physical skills, he has all of those. I do worry that he's not buying what the coaches are selling by that comment though. Even if the coaches are wrong, the players still need to try and execute what they are asking for in order to play effectively as an offensive unit. Hopefully Mac was just frustrated for this individual game.

Par4QC

johnnydoom Even if the coaches are wrong, the players still need to try and execute what they are asking for in order to play effectively as an offensive unit. Hopefully Mac was just frustrated for this individual game.

When you are down badly, and the running game is nonexistent, why are you still running? Jones' comment came at the 2 minute mark at the end of the game. And they were still running, much like any Bears team would be.
And yes.....the coaches are wrong....they have been quite a lot this season with teams like these.

And for those that don't realize it, Patricia does not call the plays. He is offensive line coach. And he is bad at that position, it looks like.

NFL needs to get back to the Bradshaw type QBs. While people think he was a dummy, he called the plays. How many rings does he have?

johnnydoom

Par4QC When you are down badly, and the running game is nonexistent, why are you still running?

Not knowing the strength of the organization, I can't answer that. As I said, the coaches may very well be wrong. But it may be that given the personnel they have vs. those they were playing against that they honestly believed that the chance of popping a long run was actually better than the chance of completing a long pass. Or, perhaps they are willing to sacrifice individual games in order to build some consistency for the future rather than grasping for different solutions in each game. Or perhaps they are just stupid or unwilling to change with the game, I don't really have a way of knowing. I am inclined not to think of Belichick as stupid, but maybe he was just lucky to have the greatest QB and solid defensive coaches and personnel most of his career.

Spuzz

johnnydoom perhaps they are willing to sacrifice individual games

Running and not using time outs = mailing it in

johnnydoom

Spuzz I agree. However, I think the Patriot's goal is Super Bowl victory and they're trying to shape a "team" that gets to that goal.

I'm a Tennessee Titans fan. Will I be happy if they make the playoffs this year and have a chance to get to the Super Bowl? Yes. Do I think that they are realistically good enough to win the playoffs and Super Bowl? Not really. Maybe they get lucky. They are a solid team and if turnovers go their way they can beat anyone, but realistically I don't think they will without some changes. That's good enough for a franchise that has never won a Super Bowl. Certainly hope is better than no hope, but it's still not good enough if your expectation is to have a reasonable shot of winning the Super Bowl without overly relying on hope and luck. Belichick has successfully done it with ball control offenses in the past and he may be trying to build towards that again but knows he doesn't yet have all the pieces in place. Or maybe his window has closed and such is no longer reasonably achievable given changes in the game.

Typhoon

Spuzz Running and not using time outs = mailing it in

EXACTLY!!! What kind of message does that send when the coach doesn’t use the timeouts amd even attempt to score…. Field goal🙄🙄

johnnydoom

johnnydoom I'm a Tennessee Titans fan. …..They are a solid team and if turnovers go their way they can beat anyone

I’d like to retract this statement I made a few days ago. Giphy - Sad Ice Hockey GIF by NHL

Sneakylong

https://nesn.com/2022/12/patriots-offenses-matt-patricia-experiment-predictably-has-failed/amp/

Having a former defensive coordinator and a former special teams coach running the offense was a huge mistake and the numbers prove it.

But as we know Belichick is a stubborn bastid.

Par4QC

Sneakylong This is what happens when you have no actual offensive coordinator, as the Pats do not. Instead, they have 2 guys, 1 up in the booth and 1 on the sidelines, that are apparently banging heads with each other, and neither can get the O going. Jones took them a long way last season, even made Pro Bowl. On this team, as is seen, it is NOT the QB at fault.
It seems/reads the consensus, among team members, that the play calling is not what it should be, nor what the want it to be.
Obvious, to not only them.

Patricia should have been left on the pavement. He was not needed.

Sneakylong

Par4QC

I just ran to the store and had on NFL Radio and they were talking about how Jones is frustrated with the play calling.

They were saying how some of the plays called for a check down as the first option. 🙄 That’s ridiculous. Also said they need to let Jones look down field more. And how they only have one running back.

Have to remember that Belichick is defensive minded. And like I said he’s very stubborn. Cost the Pats another Super Bowl benching Malcolm Butler.

Belichick is considered a coaching genius because of Tom Brady. Brady has won more Super Bowls than any NFL franchise.

Without Brady he’s just a good coach. He was fired in Cleveland.

johnnydoom

Sneakylong He was fired in Cleveland.

That should be a badge of honor. 😌

azgreg

johnnydoom

azgreg Don’t know what she’s crying about. They beat the Titans without Mixon and Chase. Besides, Joe is too pretty for her anyway.

propman

No doubt Brady was (maybe still is) great. Doubt very much he would have been great if he had been drafted by another team ie bears.
The Patriots were just a well oiled machine - ownership, coaches, players, scheme.
May not see the likes of it again.

Sneakylong

propman

You make some good points. Ownership matters. Coaching matters. But in football and maybe in all of sports the position of quarterback matters the most.

Yes, if Brady had been drafted into a bad organization he may have not achieved anywhere near what he did. But fate intervened and he entered the best scenario for him.

An owner who was good, a coach who was good and maybe by happenstance they recognized a talent that someday would change NFL history.

Everyone can choose what was the determining factor. Brady had showed his talent at Michigan. But the coach alternated QB’s and Brady’s talent was diminished. But anyone paying attention would see that it was always there.

Belichick gets credit in that he chose Brady in the 6th round. And the rest is history. Each’s history will forever be intertwined.

But no one will ever convince me that Brady didn’t bring more to the table than anyone in the Patriots success. I grew up on Boston sports. There’s just a few in the pantheon category in Boston sports.

In my lifetime. Bill Russell, Carl Yastrzemski and Bobby Orr come to my mind first when I was a kid. Later Larry Bird, Tom Brady and David Ortiz come to mind as coming thru in the biggest moments.

I saw Bill Russell play several times in person. He is the Mount Rushmore in Boston Sports. No one will ever touch his championship record. He’s number 1 in my book.

And for me Tom Brady is a close second. No one will ever touch his record of 7 Super Bowl wins in 10 Super Bowl appearances.

Greatness is seldom recognized in their lifetime. It’s only when compared in hindsight that their greatness is acknowledged.

Detractors of Tom Brady have been trying to diminish his accomplishments for several years. I’ve said that the Pats success is 75% Brady and 25% Belichick. I’m now rethinking that percentage. Lol

I think the jury has been in for awhile now. We won’t see the likes of a Tom Brady certainly in our lifetime. Maybe ever, such as a Bill Russell.

Great legacies in sports have one thing in common. You know it when you see it. I’ve been fortunate to see a few.

garyt1957

Sneakylong Bellichek deserves more credit than you give him. I'd go 60/40 in favor of Brady. But Bellichek came up with great game plans and doesn't he double as GM? There were a couple SB wins where the defense was at least as important as Brady

Par4QC

garyt1957 My opinion is that you and Sneaky both may be a bit off with your praises.
Brady was good there. Belichick is still fairly good there, when he has the right 'under coaches'.

The Patriots have always been a decent team, prior to both of those people on staff. They did go to Super Bowls before them, more than once. But, they were never consistent until Brady came along and got the chance to show he could play(Bledsoe injury).

The main key to the consistency has been the owner, Kraft. He gave Brady and Belichick what they needed to become what they became. Great for them, that other teams did not see the formula. Hell, they still don't in most cities....like Chicago.

Sneakylong

garyt1957

Heard that argument. And there have been great defenses with average quarterbacks that have won Super Bowls. Several come to mind. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson for example.

I’ll never forget Brady’s first Super Bowl where John Madden expects Brady to just play conservative and surprises Madden when he doesn’t when the game is on the line. And goes on to win it.

Belichick will even admit that it’s a players league. Brady has had only one hall of fame receiver in Randy Moss. Gronk will soon follow him.

Brady has made household names out of no name receivers his whole career. I could on and on, but again the glaring difference is when Brady went to the Bucs during the pandemic and had to practice in a high school field with his receivers on his own.

New team, new coach, new players, new system, a pandemic with little organized practices. And went on to take the Tampa Bay Succaneers to win the Super Bowl.

Yeah, the jury is in imo.

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