Need Honest opinions on a club concept

ThatGolfGuy

Just as the title say's, I need your honest opinion. I have a friend that is a member of this site and said you guys would provide the most honest opinions around. But first I should quickly introduce myself. My name is Shawn I am the owner of Sinister Golf, a few of you might know the name and the rest of you are probably wondering who the hell I am. lol Anyways, on to my question. I am currently working on a new project ( Not for sinister Golf) and we have a design that we believe is top notch, now our issue is after a little research we found a club that uses a similar concept. There is no patent issue and our design would certainly work better but, we don't want people thinking we copied another company. As a consumer do you guys see things like this and think copy or are you more interested in that fact that it can perform better than what already exists?

mainuh

ThatGolfGuy

"Friend on the site..."
Sinister Golf, Riverside, CA.
Might that friend be a fellow Californian whose last name begins with an A ? 😉

rob

ZWExton

If it's not patent infringement then do what you can. Most innovation I'm aware of in the last ten years is 98% BS and 2% lowercase BS. If you have a real idea, go for it.

mikeintopeka

I see things like this in many consumer products every day. Those products come to the US on container ships from China and I don't think the average person gives it a 2nd thought as long as they are saving some money.

kchacker

mikeintopeka

On top of that, most golf equipment looks the same to the average consumer. I've never heard a person say "so and so did that first and then these guys just copied it!" about a golf club.

I know more about equipment than the average golfer and I don't recall ever thinking it, and even if I did think it was a copy, I wouldn't care.

Eguller

How similar ? Tread carefully....

Release

There is the legal matter and there is the ethical questions.
Of course you'll have to weight out the situation before making decisions.

I'll give you an example. Window OS was expanded and marketed not by it's inventor but by people whom explore the potential. Some said there is no new idea on Earth, it depend on what you could do with the idea.

With the particular situation, there is not a definitive right or wrong.

In your case, if there is no patent on what you're working on, then perhaps there is no perceived value in itself by the others.

Par4QC

Different design, but same concept, eh?

You mean like the PING adapter vs, the Cobra adapter?
Like all the adapters that all golf companies use in their clubs?
You mean like the weight screws that every golf company started using, at the same time, but the heads look different?
You mean like a Ford vs. a Chevy?
You ever count how many different companies used the soleplate, like the one on the Integra 450 Sooolong driver head? And yet, most of us bought them from the different companies.

Get on with it, get it to market ASAP. We need more components, as long as they are approved.

ThatGolfGuy

I appreciate the feedback so far, thanks!

Bigborgel

Copy would not be an issue, as long as your version is a genuine improvement over the original. Most people only find copies offensive if the copy performs poorly or no better than the original.

Weirfan

Bigborgel

Scotty Cameron copied Ping

ptjn1201

If there's no patent, I wouldn't be concerned. Look at the SLDR -- TM made a big deal about the sliding weights, but Mizuno had done them years before, and I'm sure somebody else had tried the concept before that. If your legal guys say it's OK -- do it.

Par4QC

Mike Tait.....is needed in this conversation. Could be the first substantial discussion of GB!

Or, the first verbal riot, laced with profanities, accusations, dislike, bannings etc.!!

garyt1957

It's tough to say without knowing what we're actually talking about, but I'd say it won't matter. Does anybody really remember who did moveable weights first? How about adjustable face angles? I believe it was Nickent, look how that worked out for them. If it works people will buy it.

Par4QC

garyt1957

DSG brand, Walter Hagen, also had those sliding weights.

accufitgolf

Follows in design as in a design being improved on is one issue. All do such. Do not most 460cc , black driver heads look alike?

Try to copy trade dressings like name (Big Brother vs Big Bertha), color scheme (blue and gold shaft painted to look like another), etc. is a knockoff.

garyt1957

Par4QC

Yea, I have no idea who did sliding weights first. I would have guessed TM, but I always remembered what Mike Tait said about there not being enough weight to move to make a difference anyway, I am pretty sure Nickent had the first adjustable face angle drivers, though. I had one years ago.

Bangoman

garyt1957

Gary a 10 to14 gram sliding weight is going to influence ball flight.

Sneakylong

garyt1957

Weight placement does influence ball flight, but only if you allow it to. In other words the golfer can over ride it with their swing. The way weight bias works so I'm told is it moves the center of gravity more towards the weight side.

So, more weight towards the heel moves the COG towards the heel essentially allowing for more of the face to act similar to a toe strike thus 'gearing' the ball back to the left. But as I mentioned if you leave that face wide open with an out to in swing no amount of weight placement will help.

mainuh

Bangoman
Steve, so funny, ironic that you posted whilst I was composing my reply.😁

rob

garyt1957

Bangoman

Good to know, I'm looking at a driver that has a moveable 12 gram screw so glad to hear it will actually have some impact. I just remember Tait saying it wouldn't matter. Maybe because he didn't have a driver out with moveable weights, or maybe because at that time we were talking about smaller amounts of weight.

Rickochet

Bangoman Gary a 10 to14 gram sliding weight is going to influence ball flight.

I think someone else who I won't mention said 40g. 😉

letthebigdogshunt

mainuh

Rob, as soon as I saw this post I also thought it might be Mr A as well. Although he usually comes right out and asks himself and not through a second source.

mainuh

letthebigdogshunt

Gus, Mr.A did post though. 😉
To be clear we are talking about the "friend", not TGF.
Steve has a lot of friends in the industry.
Trust all is well w/you.

rob

Par4QC

letthebigdogshunt

Might be OMG Golf.(??)