azgreg shit, I know of a course that is used to be used for Q school, even par advanced. Apparently, it was too difficult for the pros in Q school, so it is no longer used for that. It has also been used for LPGA, and Senior tournaments. Ive played it a few times in it's 'public friendly' form. It isn't an easy course. Let the rough grow out, and make the greens faster it would be a nightmare of a course. Be kinda nice to see the pga play there and see how low they can go.