USGA/R&A Distance Report

PA-PLAYA · 2020-02-07T05:53:34+00:00

Well... apparently the governing bodies have finally come to the conclusion that golf's changing distance climate does indeed exist. Without wasting enormo...

Walterjn

I guess that is one thing I've been spoiled by. Greens that roll true, yes they are all sloped to some degree. They just all roll true, might be dun for a couple of hours to watch pros putt on those greens when they are rolling fast. Probably pass all the pros off, it would still be fun for an hour or 2... otherwise I think more courses should be more difficult for the pros, no more of the 50+ yard wide fairways that like @Typhoon mentioned run faster than most greens. I would LOVE to watch them on La Purisima, that course used to be a Q school course. Even par advanced.... might be interesting to see how they take that course, and wind on.

Luc_Van_Daele

Par4QC They should make the Pros play balls with no dimples.

That's probably the way they will do it : less dimples.

garyt1957 If they go to a limited distance pro ball, I suppose this would open ball companies up to producing longer balls then meet today's limits?

No, there will just be 2 conforming balls, one for pro and one for amateur play.

Typhoon Now you’ll get a new group of shitheads bragging that they play “Tour Equipment” ( wrx guys).

"look how short I can drive" is not so popular in golf.

garyt1957

Luc_Van_Daele No, there will just be 2 conforming balls, one for pro and one for amateur play.

Agree, but the reason balls had limits now were pretty much strictly for pros, not for your average hack. Could they now decide to expand those limits for us casual golfers?

Luc_Van_Daele

UnholyDefenestrator78 I asked you a simple question
You responded with a personal attack instead of ansswering it.

What was the question again, with all your rambling I can't pinpoint it. Must be over 150 posts ago.

PS: this could be a solution for @jrock : limit the posts per member per day to let's say 500. Our resident Troll would run out of credit in half an hour and it would make the forum enjoyable again.

UnholyDefenestrator78

Luc_Van_Daele

The question was to back up his assertion that other pro sports limit the distance of their "ball" similar to what golf is proposing compared to what would be allowed for amateurs .

But to your inane ad hominem

Let's see

608 posts / 42 days = 14.47 posts per day

Let's compare to

29216 posts / 2603 days = 11.14 posts per day

Wow, what a big difference!

Now, let's talk about how you were off by a factor of 3500% in your blatantly false accusation, shall we, troll?

Sneakylong

ode Have at it USGA, you cannot help yourself. Hopefully after this move falls on it's.face, it will put a stop to their BS. They cannot even stop anchoring. Idiots!

Not sure why the PGA Tour continues to allow an amateur outfit to regulate their game. There's other ways to make the game harder for the elite players. Narrow the fairways and grow the rough.

People don't go to baseball games to see a bunt single fest or in football a field goal fest. Yeah, pitching duals and low scoring games are fine here and there. But people like to see scoring.

The PGA Tour should regulate their own game.

Eguller

Sneakylong The PGA Tour should regulate their own game.

They do, to a degree with many of their own
‘local rules’ with the USGA as the base line.
Seems to have worked over the years.

Typhoon

Sneakylong Narrow the fairways and grow the rough.

People don't go to baseball games to see a bunt single fest or in football a field goal fest. Yeah, pitching duals and low scoring games are fine here and there. But people like to see scoring.

100% right Sneaky. I stared writing that but got sidetracked last night. You don’t go to a basketball game to watch a final score of 18-12. Like I said, look at how they set up a US Open course and follow that blueprint… idiot’s right??!

ode

Sneakylong depends on who is in charge, but the PGA types seem to be less uptight then the USGA types!

Sneakylong and then BAD won a US Open.

DonM

If the changes were happening now, I wonder what LIV would do.

Luc_Van_Daele

DonM If the changes were happening now, I wonder what LIV would do.

They'll play to the rules of golf, what else?

Spuzz

DonM If the changes were happening now, I wonder what LIV would do.

Welcome a lot of new members, if they wish.

Sneakylong

Eguller They do, to a degree with many of their own
‘local rules’ with the USGA as the base line.
Seems to have worked over the years.

I remember Mike Davis saying on the Golf Channel that the USGA had no intention to ban long putters / anchoring etc.. Then Keegan Bradley, Web Simpson and Adam Scott won Majors and that changed everything.

Not a fan of the USGA. I've also heard some PGA Tour players say they'd like to see them regulate their own game.

Sneakylong

ode

I forgot Ernie Els who won an Open with a belly putter as well. Mike Davis looked like a fool after saying they wouldn’t ban long / anchored putters. It was ok as long as the Champions Tour guys were winning with them.

But as soon as some PGA Tour guys started winning especially Majors he did a quick 180. It’ll be interesting to see if the PGA Tour pushes back on this reduced speed golf ball stuff.

The PGA, USGA and R&A can do whatever they want. I’d like to see bifurcation with everything golf. If a manufacturer can make the game easier for the masses have at it. Most golfers don’t have a handicap and don’t play in tournaments anyway.

ode

is this going to be for USGA events only🤔

Eguller

ode

The USGA & the R&A seem to be lock-step twins.

ode

Sneakylong that's essentially where it is headed, which IMO isn't a bad thing but it won't be perceived in a positive light at all. They will just be adding fuel to outfits like LIV who will use it against them (bifurcation).

Re anchoring. It should have been outlawed a long time ago. It is not a stroke and significantly takes away from skill of putting....and the resultant aftermath IMO is a bunch of guys essentially cheating right under their nose and a new method called armlock. That's where they messed up is waiting too long!

Eguller

The USGA just released its announcement. Check your email. They are looking for input.

KCee

I don't why they worry so much about scoring. We like to see scoring! It's why we love football, baseball, and basketball, but NOT soccer!

As others have said, just make the course play harder rather than longer. Let the fairways and rough grow. You don't get 50 yards of roll at a New England muni. Have some bunkers rock hard and others with too much sand. Greens should be all different speeds too. If there's no water and not enough trees then have more OB.

Eguller

KCee

Seems the real arguments to rein distance have to do with the costs - land, environmental issues, green fees, etc.
Older, elite courses can only lengthen so much before they become not useful to the modern pro game.

Any course can be made extremely difficult, but those watching tournaments prefer to see how good these
guys are versus how much pain can be inflicted on them by a brutal course (except me 😉). The TV product
has to be interesting and fun to watch or it won't survive long term. Length is relative.

Sneakylong

Just heard Michael Breed on PGA Tour Radio and he’s totally against this. Normally he’s a huge USGA fan.

DonM

Sneakylong Just heard Michael Breed on PGA Tour Radio and he’s totally against this. Normally he’s a huge USGA fan.

He's also a Titleist flack.

ode

Eguller costs

I think consumer expectations is out of whack....wanting everything to be perfect, greens, fairways, etc. And I don't buy the land argument....at some point folks just need to say NO to expanding courses as a result of how far the pros are hitting it. Pros are how much of the golfers that play % wise🤔. I take no issue with Pros smashing drives 350 and/or being able cut corners, hit over trees/lakes/OB, etc. There are other solutions which is narrowing fairways, growing rough OR change the # on the card from a 5 to a 4!

Par4QC

These old farts need to do more thinking and less quaffing of the rum.
Distances really mean little when compared to final scores. And they are not looking at scores at all while making asinine decisions as they mostly do. Distance does not equal score.

I have a great idea!!.....simply increase the Par for every hole!!! That will shut down the 'score to Par' bullshit they are complaining about.
Yeah, I'm kind of a genius, I guess. I should prolly be a member of the R&A group. 🤔

sdandrea1

Par4QC idea!!.....simply increase the Par for every hole!

That would go against tradition and we can't have that.......no, we certainly can't have that. 🤣

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