garyt1957 I will choke up on my driver to the very end of the grip to avoid teeing off with a 3 wood.

Off the tee I choke down a bit on driver, 3/4 backswing and saw off the finish. More of a 12-9 o clock swing and it hits a low bullet dead straight. Normal tee height

    scotts33

    scotts33 Senior males as they lose distance with shorter playing length mid-irons with jacked up lofts (don't have high enough club head speed with an average playing length 5i 38"/loft 23 - 25 deg. or a 6i of modern variation) as an example)

    Scots33, in your experience then, what's the lowest loft # that a normal senior can handle in a middle iron....?
    Asking for a 78 year old friend......🤣 🤣 🤣

        30* KE4 Max was not enough loft for me. I could play it, but it was not much use. I did not have the loft checked so it could have been lower actual. Back to 32* in the STi2 and the flight is perfect. It seems odd 2* of loft would make that much difference but it did. With the 34* KE4 Max 8i it goes high and straight. I could easily have the lofts tweaked in the current set 32* - 48* to take an iron out, IMO 5* of separation would suit me fine. Next club up from 7i is a 26* hybrid!

        Reshafted a L1.XW 52* with an s400 8i shaft (shimmed a .355) and have same model 60* that I ordered new and put in same shaft. I have never technically tried the 8i spinner trick like this, but have ordered wedge specific shafts which may be the same concept. I have the 56* with a TT Spinner Wedge+ model in which tracks at about the same weight as the 8i s400 shaft.

        Anybody ever try the Integra I-Win single length hybrids?

        LogicalOne Unfortunately, I don’t have any options at this time. Sorry. 😞

        Gotcha, I'm just wondering would less tipping work? Tip a 9iron like an 8 iron?

            garyt1957 I've done this with several shafts/builds, steel & graphite. iirc, 'they' say that is just 1 soft step. 'They' also say it would take 2 soft steps to equal a full flex. Never done the 2 though, just always added a tip weight to help things along. 2-3g.
            And it has always worked as I wanted.

                garyt1957

                I feel that for 98% of folks, soft-stepping an R to an A with the LogicalOne graphite iron shaft wouldn’t hurt anything/would be fine.

                  fatshot We usually have enough wind that a fairway wood greater than 24 or 25 degrees can be hard to control the distance. I would say that my swing speed is still too high for the 29, 33, 37 degree XDS Fairway heads I bought. But they could be great for super seniors.

                  A hybrid should be the right choice for me. But I’ve been using long, light ones and I get fairly big misses left and right. Especially left

                      @garyt1957
                      @scotts33

                      As Scott says, they have a lot of onset because of the higher lofts. But, I think that keeps them from being hook machines. From my quick experience today, it flew plenty high and was much easier to control at 37.75” than my normal one at 39”. Same shafts btw. At that length I can hit it like an iron, or at least close to the same swing. Might need the ball forward a bit. At 39” my other one is not an iron swing but not quite a fairway wood swing. That annoys me.