I kinda like in the 80's
Golf courses were not crowded with obnoxious new golfers not observing the common courtesy.
Green fees were more affordable back then, it seemed.
Another large golf retail equipment company bites the dust ?
We have two Golfsmith stores in the Tampa Bay Fl. area. One in Tampa (Lutz) and one in Clearwater. Also have two Edwin Watts (Palm Harbor and Tampa) which was bought by Worldwide Golf a couple years ago. They also own Roger Dunn Golf Shops in California and Hawaii, the Golf Mart in California, Vans Golf Shops in Arizona, Uinta Golf Shops in Utah and the Golfers’ Warehouse chain in Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
IMO Edwin Watts now has the best playability (return) warranty which is 90 days no questions asked. You get 100% credit exchange for something else. I don't deal with Ebay anymore because of this return policy and you know it's not a fake. Golfsmith offers something similar in response to Edwin Watts policy. Hope Golfsmith survives like Edwin Watts has.
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I go to a Golfsmith in Columbus, Oh, b/c it's near where my daughter lives. They used to stock a large supply of lightly used clubs, and I would buy 1 from time to time. I notice that they are stocking a lot less lately however, and the traffic in there seems a lot less since a brand new huge Golf Galaxy opened up right down the street. So I'm
not surprised to read this. GS has seemed to be on the decline for the last few years.....
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Golfsmith has been off my radar for probably 15 years.
The last time I was there they pulled several shafts.
When I picked them up all the driver heads were in one plastic bag, and of course the crowns were scratched by the hosels contacting the crown of another head.
I then bought a shaft puller and have not been back or purchased anything from them.
Our local Golf Smith closed it's door some years ago.
I had purchased component from them back when they still carry the load of it. Last time I ordered some shafts from the G.S. and 8 months later got a notice that I owe them money because they did not charge my purchase 8 months ago. I was surprised but paid up after confirming the original balance was not charged to my credit card.
No business from me since that day.
Just dealt with Edwin Watts while on vaca in SC. They seem revived. It was a really good shopping experience. +1 on the 90 day playability deal.
I'm actually happy that some local brick and mortar store is doing well again.
Our local golf equipment stores had not seen the glory days from the 90's for years. They have business just not the same as it used to be, now only 2 major player exist in multiple cities. I'd imagine the business would be even tighter when the retail price goes up again after the major players relaxed on price competition,
Higher equipment price and staggering economic plus the shrinking of the middle class. Tougher time for the industry is here. Hope it won't get any worse.
If the trend continues you will be back to the late 80's with Taylor Made, Callaway, Ping and Titleist as the only options in most places, maybe Cobra hangs on and Mizuno will live through the Japanese market. Gone will be the days of great new companies and other little guys that always have good stuff.
The one POSSIBLE benefit, if major retailers give up, the proshop model might make a come back.
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Our local store since 1945 http://www.puetzgolf.com/, lived through different partnership, ownership and financial crisis. It's still around and have a loyal following. It's there before the super mega retail stores, and after the internet stores. In fact they are tapping into the internet sales to supplement their income.
Another one is ProGolf Discount . A late comer and had retracted from Inter State operation in the 90's back to our region only.
With these two brick and mortar retail chain stores , most others could not share a piece of the pie from the local market. Golf Smith came and gone, Nevada Bob's came and gone,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes, smaller outfit could survive if they could find a niche for more personal service but unlikely.
The golf industry is slowing down as a whole for years, some in the business still would not face the music and dance but it's already here and hard to ignore the facts. Not only the golf industry but many other non-essential to the basic will also suffer retraction of market.
A bit different this time is, even the fast food industry is influence by the economy. Usually during the economic retraction these would be one of the few industry still growing but the new trend is for consumers to discover the home cooking. For saving from eating out and other reason for better health maintenance.
The families making good income still spends like no tomorrow. I see all those exotic automobiles on the roadway with new temporary license and the mushroom up of the new industry of prepared meals delivered to your home for a "home cooked" meal. Trending is catering to those top 10% of the income level.
The mass middle class of yester years still shrinking , this is where the golf industry lose the majority of the golfers whom joined up in the 80's and the 90's. I don't see the golf industry back to the glory days without the support from the middle class which is not moving up but sliding down in the financial ladder.
So back to the topic of the thread, no, personally I don't see the component golf coming back because of the change in the OEM make up. There is simply, can't squeeze anything out of a rock.
I see the decline of the golf component industry has many cause.
The millennium generation is a generation of disposable generation, in that, they use stuff and throw it in the dumpster, they either not interested in fixing things for reuse or do not know how. A generation growing up had things handed to them on the silver plate. Their logic path is the search the internet and trust what they had found with other's opinion.
My father's generation and my own will fix things up not just to save money but it's a joy of seeing the continuing service of older equipment. Younger generation will Google the pricing and dispose of the older equipment simply because it's "cost effective", even when the older equipment were still functioning.
Also they are counting on "help" from the government and the family members to get them through tough times.
The joy of tinkering with golf components is not just saving a few buck in the old days. The joy of making something and believing it's superior to the off the shelf stuff was a big factor for golfers to learn the basic of golf club making. It's too much work for the majority of younger golfer and it's " not cost effective" and does not work for "show and tell" to their peer. OEM name brand sparking better, like the Titleist golf balls are the best because it's the most expensive and a lot of professional golfers endorsed it.
Unless the OEM equipment turn higher price point, the golf component world will stay quiet for a long time.
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Golfsmith has over $200 million in loans, be it from vendors, lease agreements, etc. Bankruptcy protection might not be enough given the stature of their debt. As a result, rumors are flying that Dick's Sporting Goods might be posturing to make an offer to purchase the US-based territories in the coming weeks. Dick's stock increased 2.4% immediately following the announcement that Golfsmith was filing for bankruptcy.
My overall take on the matter: Dick's would be assuming a lot of risk, placing a lot of eggs in the interest-is-sure-to-increase basket with absolutely no data suggesting otherwise. I mean - it's one thing to make a sizable investment knowing that the risks could at the very least be offset in the short-term while waiting for the silver lining to reveal itself longterm, but again - there's essentially no reliable proof anywhere that suggests this to be the case. After all - it was less than two years ago when Dick's announced they too were in the downsizing mode, cutting over 500 PGA professionals from their staff and since then nothing has changed, except more companies getting out of the hard-goods business.
As appealing as the potential buy-out might appear in theory, Dick's would be wise to pay more attention to the sobering market data.
If, of course, there is any truth to the rumors going around....
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And now you can add Wishon Golf getting acquired to the list of changes in the golf equipment industry. Right when they started to make a global name for themselves with the introduction of the Sterling irons. Well, I guess if you're going to get out it's best to do it while you're on top and not wait til you're forced out at the bottom like most do!
PA-PLAYA My overall take on the matter: Dick's would be assuming a lot of risk
Yes you're 100% right . If they keep the current business model left by G.S. But then again, if one need to revamp the whole business model then, why buy someone with such huge debt already in place ? It costs less to start anew if Dick's want to expand into other segment of the business, Buying a failed business model with huge assumable debt is - pretty dumb. The only reason anyone would do that is when they need the write off from the profit gained. I don't believe Dick's could benefit from the write off.
Yes, Barney Adams got out at the tail end. He could, get back into the thicket of things IF, situation turns around.
Extra ordinary times create extra ordinary results. Even the so called "experts" have no clue and could only manipulate numbers. This extraordinary time we're in right now is very different than all the historical examples we had had in the past century. Hopefully we'll come out kicking.
We need to look no further than TaylorMade's marketing approach.
It worked for a few years. Increase product, increase product cycles, overwhelm competitors with saturating the market with more available in-store inventory. If you go back in the finances, you can see where the tide started turning against them. In 2009, shortly after the initial onslaught of the impacts of the global recession, they maintained course.
What they essentially did was no different than a fishing boat captain out in the Atlantic, who was being told well ahead of time - turn back - there's a major storm heading right for you - yet he ignored the warning.
The vital signs of the golf industry are essentially foretold in the number of rounds played per year, and the number of golf courses that are being built versus closed each year. Those numbers haven't been good for several years now, it's safe to say that despite people like us - fewer people are playing or buying equipment, more courses have closed than new ones opened.
Dick's might have a great reason behind purchasing Golfsmith, providing the rumors are true... but ultimately the short-term gains will be killed by long-term results. The data isn't predicting a looming storm any longer... the data is displaying an actual storm that has already reached landfall and everyone missed the opportunity to get out ahead of time. So you either ride it out and eat your losses or go down with the rising tide.
You don't build a bigger boat. That "ship" sailed a long time ago.
It's just brilliant marketing, now I have to buy the damn Sterlings early to avoid $30 shipping.