Typhoon I don't drop my hands right in front of me, like most do, I have them more out in front of me. So, a couple degrees flat and a bit longer has worked well for me. I think. They were 1/2 under, so now they are 1/4 over, and look/feel better. I should have been out today, but boy, did someone stay up way too late/get up way too late. Might get out Sunday, if it's not raining. Again.