Anyone Play UST Recoils In Their Irons?

Rickochet

I have tried numerous times over the years to play graphites in my irons. To me they always just felt "dead." Yes, I have tried Prosoft inserts too and don't like them. Anywho, with arthritic thumbs and age 69 I wanted to try something lighter than the FST 115 steel I have been playing for years. After reading several threads I saw several people recommend the UST Recoil graphites. Although not cheap I decided to get a set and opted for the Recoil 760 F2 which is a 65g senior flex. I tip trimmed them per UST's chart and butt trimmed them to my usual 2" overlength. I installed them into my oldest set of irons which are some Acer Undercut Soles which are some old school lofted shovels similar to the original Big Berthas.

This was only my third time out this year and I did have a healing but stiff back so my swing wasn't the greatest. As I test swung them the feel was very nice and didn't have the "too light" feel I have experienced with others. As I played the round I really liked the feel of the shafts. This was the closest feel similar to steel I have experienced with a graphite. So, swing weight good and feel at impact great. What I didn't like was the distance. These were supposed to increase distance not lose distance. I was hitting these one to two clubs shorter. One par three is usually a PW to the center of the green. I put a good swing on it on that hole and the ball hits the water 20 yards short of the green. I reloaded and put a harder swing on it and it barely made it over the water. So, at this point I am a bit dissatisfied with the results. Could be my swing, could be the shafts or a combo of both. I can't believe there was that much diff in the distance. I was having issues with the high offset of the heads so I might pull them and put them in some Wishon 780ti's I was going to reshaft anywho.

Me puzzled. 🤓

fatshot

Rickochet
I have the same shafts in my Cobra F Max One Length irons. I've been feeling that I've been 1 club short with all my irons, but didn't know whether it was the shafts or the single length concept, which is new to me. Today, however I hit balls and seemed to be regaining at least some of my normal distances. Could it be b/c today was the FIRST day I've played in temps above 60 degrees??? Thinking back it's been so damned awful around here weather-wise all spring that I've been playing in nothing but cool, damp, soggy, windy conditions. Today was the first time I've hit balls in shirtsleeves, so I'm hoping to see a bit of increase in distance as spring weather gets warmer.....

KCee

I have Recoil 110 F4 in my irons. I got fitted 3 years ago and expected to stay with steel, but I really like these. They are relatively heavy and they don't feel like typical graphite shafts. I didn't find that I gained any distance, but the graphite smooths out shock and I haven't had any elbow issues or pain from my wrist (I've surgery on both hands).

scotts33

Is the loft of the Acer Undercut vs. what you have been using for irons? The are definitely old school lofts. http://www.blackweld.co.uk/golf/giaceruc.htm That would be the difference I believe Rick.

BTW, I am using UST Mamiya Recoil 660SC F2 in a couple of Alpha C2 Fly Forged 5i and 7i to test and also using them in Alpha V2-MB's. I find them to what I expect for distance and better feel though they are in 1020 Low Carbon Double Forged Steel and 304SS cast (the MB's to me are as soft as forged). So, I would expect that feel.

Rickochet

scotts33 Is the loft of the Acer Undercut vs. what you have been using for irons?

Thanks for the link Scott. Those are the heads. Those are probably my first set of component heads. I have the 1 thru LW. No telling how many sets of shafts have been in these. They always seem to sneak back in the bag at some point every year for a bit. I was comparing distance with the same heads with the FST 115 shafts in them. I had some FST 90's in them at the end of the season which I didn't like. Thinking back (difficult task 👴) I may have only played them with the FST 90's one round and distance might have been off with those shafts as well. I always hit the 780ti's high and long like the Sterlings so putting the 760's in them should tell me something. I think the high offset in the Acers was giving me some issues. I also have a set of Acer Adrenalines that have less offset that currently have some Mutsubishi Fubuki's in them I might try them in.

scotts33

FST 115 OG steel is a way stiffer profile than either FST 90, FST Pro 115 or any UST Recoil F2 flex. That is flex for flex. Since you always build them 2" over std. I think that's the difference. Go back to FST 115 OG and see what the comparison would be in say a 7i before you build the rest. You can drop down to "A" trimming. JMO.

BTW refer to Jeff Summitt's Hireko DSFI to compare these shafts. they are all listed I believe.

Rickochet

scotts33 FST 115 OG steel is a way stiffer profile than either FST 90

To me the FST 115 trimmed to an A flex is much smoother than the FST 90 trimmed to the same flex which felt a bit harsh to me. BTW, I played one round this year with my Sterlings which are shafted with the FST 115 trimmed to A and the flex felt fine.

Par4QC

scotts33 always build them 2" over std.

Should a person trim more off the tip when going longer, like this? Or should a stiffer flex be used?
Always been curious as longer usually = weaker/softer. ( I use stiffer shafts than normal in my longer drivers & it's always been perfect)

ode

I put the 125 in a 2h and it feels great. I would not hesitate to try in a set, but they are pricey compared to similar weight steel.

scotts33

Rickochet See the DSFI. True apples to apples comparison. DSFI says otherwise to your experience. DSFI comparison is more my testing and build out performance. Note FST 115 OG to the FST 90 "A", FST 90 "R", FST Pro 115 "A" and "R": are less than the FST 115 OG "A". Recoil 660 F2 are listed in the graphite 5i's. I don't see the Recoil 760.

Rickochet

scotts33 I don't see the Recoil 760.

I think that they list the 760 as an upgraded 660.

sdandrea1

I have demoed several sets of irons with F3 Recoils in them. They are not my fav graphite shaft. I prefer the feel of PING Alta CB graphites, but unless you find pulls, they aren't for sale. Recoils just feel dead to me.

DonM

sdandrea1 Recoils just feel dead to me.

Same here. I wanted to like them. The 95 gram ones in particular were just awful feeling for me. UST has been my favorite shaft feel for years. So I dunno, but I'm moving on. No interest in Recoils for me.

JeffTilley

sdandrea1

I bought a brand new set of Callaway Apex irons a few years back with that same shaft. After several rounds, I put them in timeout. While those lightweight Recoils were long, I couldn’t hit the broadside of a golf course with them. The F4 had better dispersion in testing, but felt awful. I should have stuck with the Project X 95 from my testing as it offered the preferred ballflight I was looking for, plus tighter dispersion and a great feel. Live and learn.....

Sparky

I did not have any success with the lighter Recoils. I tried them in a couple of sets. Feel was nice, but I also got the 10-15 yard distance loss. I can't say that I have found any light graphite shafts that resulted in any distance gain for me. 100-110 grams seems to be the sweet spot for me.

scotts33

OT in a way but for me personally and my vintage swing (high 60's mph mid-iron medium release) my personal set are 771CSI on Wishon S2S Green "R" which to me are more an "A" flex at Series #7 TLT which is slightly over length. I find the S2S Green R/S a lively feel but good dispersion. This is a high launch head and shaft combo.

Another low weight iron graphite shaft that no one knows about is the Swing Science FC-One Ion Fifty and the Alpha Platinum Iron shaft comes in 50, 60 and 70 gram. Alpha Tour Lite for a filament wound shaft ain't bad either.

Rickochet

Seems like the responses are all over the place. Some like the recoils, some don't, too short for some, too long, nice feel, dead feel. Looks like back to demoing. And I still find it odd that FST 115 is supposed to have a stiffer profile than the FST 90. I have been playing the 115 for years and is my all time favorite steel shaft. I thought the FST 90 felt dead. BTW Scott, what is the FST 115 OG you speak of? I am only aware of the stepped FST 115 and the stepless FST 115 Pro.

scotts33

Rick.

OG means original FST 115 it was out as the first FST shaft before the others. DSFI don't lie and I concur with Jeff's DSFI also.

I prefer when comparing shafts Tom Wishon's shaft profiles in the website. http://wishongolf.com/designs/shafts/

Do you keep a sheet of how the shafts you have used on your NF2 to compare other shafts?

Rickochet

scotts33 DSFI don't lie

DSFI says one thing and my hands tell me another. 🙃

I do have records of various NF2 readings over the years which does give me a relative number but as you know they never could calibrate everyones NF2 due to the spring differences. I have never used the NF2 for steel like I do for graphite. I use it for alignment and to make sure I don't have any flex "outers." At present the trim chart for the 115 A flex suits me very well. I have a set of 870ti's I want to reshaft from an R to an A flex. I might try the FST 90's I just pulled and put them in them.

JeffTilley

Rickochet

Feel doesn’t lie unless it’s in someone else’s hands. I LOVE the FST 90.......

Rickochet

JeffTilley Feel doesn’t lie unless it’s in someone else’s hands. I LOVE the FST 90.......

So, FST 115 feels nice to me. The one set of FST 90's I built feel dead trimmed to the same flex as the 115. The 90 is supposed to be softer. If the DFSI is correct the 90's I have should be even livelier than the 115s which is not happening for me.