Ack8236

You can't.

However, you can prove things like what you posted. There are examples all over about chicanery happening in elections.

Thanks to WikiLeaks we got to learn the depths of slime that goes on at the DNC. What Wasserman Schultz did to Bernie Sanders should've landed her in jail for a lifetime.

To believe that any election isn't fixed in some way is naive. The candidate that should've been running as a democrat against Trump wasn't even the candidate who should've. The DNC fixed it so Hillary would be their nominee. You honestly believe that either side isn't fixing whatever they can wherever they can in trying to get their candidate elected when they fix who their nominee is? Please. That's outright head in the sand I don't want to believe that because it calls into question so many other things so I'll just pretend it isn't true and ask for PROOF. Many live in this and laugh at people who they say are conspiracy theorists. Was NO CONSPIRACY thanks to WikiLeaks exposing the DNC on screwing Bernie Sanders. If you think it just stops there you're a fool.

    Yes, the DNC screwed the Bern. That wasn't voter fraud.

    So, you have nothing.

    You say all elections are fixed, but seem to imply that only one side had fraudulent votes. Got it.

    Debating whether to reply to the upcoming supplied talking points ahead of time, or wait and most likely move on to something more constructive, like counting sheep...

      Ack8236

      What? I implied BOTH sides have fraudulent votes. I hate politics. It's a pre-school game for adults.

      I have nothing? You posted a link. I could post a bunch...here's one:

      https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/10/12/women-accused-paid-voter-fraud-ring/

      Can we get down to it? Isn't the reason you don't like this is you want that illusion that your vote counts? You need it. It would be just too hard to let in that maybe everything you believe is a sham?

      If not for Wikileaks we wouldn't know how the DNC screwed Bernie but if someone had said they did someone exactly like you would be hollering...where's your proof? Where's your proof? Now, you have it. So, what follows from it isn't true because you don't have proof. That mentality is so disingenuous. Do you think everybody who isn't found guilty of a crime is truly not guilty? Proving things is incredibly difficult. Yet, you demand that to protect what you don't want to let go of.

      Illusions. Nothing but illusions. The system is BEYOND corrupt. If you need to believe it isn't that's your right and I don't need any more "proof" to be able to say that, you do.

      EDIT: What we get are little stories like this:

      https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/71-year-old-woman-arrested-for-voter-fraud-506824621.html

      What those stories do is bring comfort. It was ONLY one person. See, they stop it. It's just isolated.

      Here's another... Only 1,177 PROVEN cases! It's not that bad relative to 100 million votes. Everything is legit.

      https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

      From my state:

      After a yearlong voter-fraud probe, Texas discovered that, lo and behold, 95,000 people identified as noncitizens had voter registrations. What's more, 58,000 of them voted in one or more Texas elections.

      ---58k isn't all that big. That is what is KNOWN. You're never going to get all of it. Ever.

          Ack8236 say all elections are fixed, but seem to imply that only one side had fraudulent votes. Got it.

          Of course you got it. One side insists that voters and votes should not be examined (unless they lose) and has already proposed legislation to allow all votes by hook or crook (pun intended), the other side desires to limit voting to citizen residents of the district prior to counting the vote.

            Rickochet Sneakywrong you don't know a thing about me. Why do you assume that I am white or a Trump supporter?

            You are just too full of shitfuckery.

            True. Only know you from what you post. And so I have this.

            Rickochet I walked into the SS office and it was packed with young Hispanic people all with children. I was the only white dude there. I have been paying into the system since 1964. WTF are these people doing in "my" SS office?

            First it's not your office. Second it's not just a white persons office. Third this post sounds like a Lester Maddox supporter from Georgia 50 plus years ago. Just substitute Hispanic for Black and what's the difference?

            I know in these days of Trump, racists feel emboldened to come out of the closet, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences when you let your true feelings known in a public forum.

            And hopefully it never gets to place in this country where outright racism isn't called out.

                  Sneakylong

                  This country needs a overhaul on the social security system and welfare. People live off of the welfare system cause they don’t see the validity in getting a actual job, that may only pay slightly higher wages then being on welfare. People know how to play the system and it doesn’t matter if they’re white, black, blue, or whatever.

                  I’m not sure why don’t see Ricks actual point? He’s paid into social security his whole life. He’s not saying just because your Latino or Hispanic you can’t draw it.

                      sdandrea1 This thread makes me glad I spend half the year in a foreign country.........

                      What like Florida and Virginia? Which one is the foreign country? My guess is Florida. Virginia is an adult state. Florida on the other hand is more of a wild west state where there's a lot to improve upon. 😉

                          colej This country needs a overhaul on the social security system and welfare. People live off of the welfare system cause they don’t see the validity in getting a actual job, that may only pay slightly higher wages then being on welfare. People know how to play the system and it doesn’t matter if they’re white, black, blue, or whatever.

                          I’m not sure why don’t see Ricks actual point? He’s paid into social security his whole life. He’s not saying just because your Latino or Hispanic you can’t draw it.

                          OK Rip Van Winkle. You can wake up from your long nap now. 1996 (welfare reform) was 23 years ago.

                              Sneakylong What like Florida and Virginia? Which one is the foreign country? My guess is Florida. Virginia is an adult state. Florida on the other hand is more of a wild west state where there's a lot to improve upon. 😉

                              Florida. Easy guess!😉

                                colej I’m not sure why don’t see Ricks actual point? He’s paid into social security his whole life. He’s not saying just because your Latino or Hispanic you can’t draw it.

                                Sneakywrong is obviously cherry picking and missed my other posting. I basically said anyone who contributes into the SS system can call it "theirs" regardless of race, color, creed etc.. Anyone who hasn't participated in it has no right to it. Congress doesn't care. They have their own system and dole out our SS money with little concern.

                                    Par4QC imo, she would also have an investigation going on about her. And, I think she probably would have had to step down. And, talk about facetious, migawd, I could not stand to even look at her face when she talked.

                                    Step down for what? Emails on her private server? Let's for the sake of argument switch Hillary's name with Trumps and assume every scandal associated with Trump was Hillary's. You right wing whack jobs hair would be on fire.

                                    The echo chamber at Faux News and right wing radio would be lit up like a Christmas tree. Face it. Just one, just one of these scandals by Trump would've brought down any other president.

                                    So, what is a rational thinking person to think. Why is this ignorant, racist, idiotic demagogue able to still have anywhere between 35-45 percent approval rating? Either 35-45 percent are willful ignorant racists themselves. Or they've been brainwashed by a cult like leader believing Thetan aliens are responsible.

                                    Oh, my bad. Sorry, I must've got my cults mixed up. Scientologists and Trumpists have a lot of similarities.

                                    Gullible idiocy...…………... 😉

                                        Rickochet Sneakywrong is obviously cherry picking and missed my other posting. I basically said anyone who contributes into the SS system can call it "theirs" regardless of race, color, creed etc.. Anyone who hasn't participated in it has no right to it. Congress doesn't care. They have their own system and dole out our SS money with little concern.

                                        No, no ,no no...…….. That is not what you said. This is what you said.

                                        Sneakylong I walked into the SS office and it was packed with young Hispanic people all with children. I was the only white dude there. I have been paying into the system since 1964. WTF are these people doing in "my" SS office?

                                        Can't you see what you said is the essence of racism? You, you chose race to make your point. You were the only white dude there with all these 'other' Hispanic people with children. In other words if they were all white like you you'd have no issue.

                                        If they were all white your post would've sounded something like this. 'I walked into my SS office and it was packed with young white people all with children. I 'wasn't' the only white dude there. I have been paying into the system since 1964. WTF are these 'white' people doing in "my" SS office?' Would've been an incoherent / non sensical statement.

                                        You're the one who elevated your race over others. You assumed they didn't belong there because of race. You looked down on them as being Hispanic and lesser than being white. We know this because you referenced race as to why they shouldn't be there.

                                        Do you even know what racism is? Your post couldn't have given a better real life example of what racism looks like. It's deep seated thru decades of embedded DNA. Not actual blood DNA, but worse. It's learned behavior.

                                        We can only hope one day the cycle will be broken. I'm hopeful once us old white dudes die off it will get better. But there's no guarantee. History shows humans for some reason need to feel superior to other (in their minds) lessor human beings.

                                        In other words racism (one race being superior to other races) may be part of being human. If that's the case it'll never change.

                                              Toulon

                                              Same applies in this thread. You understand the deeper truth, what we believe is an illusion, argue just to argue. Of course voter fraud is out there. It's not nearly as wide spread or one sided as proposed. Yes, our votes still count, I believe the fraud only may make a difference in very close races, which are then heavily scrutinized. Even in the case I posted, I believe the Rep won by enough votes to overcome the fraudulent ones, but now that candidate withdrew, so the fraud actually backfired. Something we do not have in common, I do not like to argue for argument's sake, but have at it.

                                                  Ack8236

                                                  I enjoy communicating. If you want to label this arguing that's your right. I perceive it as discussion/debate. Not fun to talk to someone exactly like me.

                                                  No question I understand that fraud and corruption is king in America. You deny this? I believe you do because it's hard living with that deeper truth that things you believe are a certain way really aren't. It doesn't bother me one bit.

                                                  "Of course voter fraud is out there"...but election fixing? No? It's not even possible in the mind of many. I tried illustrating a point but you're not interested in "arguing" it because you'll have to confront some beliefs. Watching what happened to Bernie Sanders was DISGUSTING. RIGGED. Your DNC rigs the primary and here you are trying to lecture me about how I'm "out there". You even brought it up and said that doesn't mean voter fraud, but of course won't go where you should go in your mind. If the DNC RIGGED A PRIMARY why wouldn't democrats and republicans rig an election? Can you answer that? You want to end the debate when you can no longer keep at bay what I'm driving at. You can hate me or dislike me or whatever. I'm asking you to talk and keep talking but you don't want to do that. You want to bunker down and put your fingers in your ears and call me things because of your own fear. That's fine. Just know that I know this is what it is.

                                                      Ack8236

                                                      Let's talk and see what it is then, if it isn't that.

                                                      Again, the DNC FIXED the primary. How is it an election is immune from attempts from both sides to be rigged? Are you saying neither side attempts to fix the election? Both sides just spend all those millions and just let whatever happens happen?

                                                        Sure, i'll talk, as soon as you can quote where I said elections are immune from being rigged.