Colin Kaepernick

brownmoose13 · 2018-09-23T13:24:46+00:00

This says it all The title is: YOU GUYS GO AHEAD!!

Toulon

No. You can't argue with common sense and facts. You know as well as I do black people used to count as...well, I'll let the Washington Post tackle that issue: "We used to count black Americans as 3/5 of a person."

Your post, like I said, unwittingly reminded of this FACT. One little drop of "black blood" and a person was thought of as only 3/5 of a person. Having any black blood was an awful stigma and there you were trying to "educate" me about how I just didn't understand. You did a terrible disservice for your argument and moreso for African American's everywhere. That's hard to do.

It's unbelievably sickening that things used to be that way. The fact remains...Colin Kaepernick and Barack Obama are no more black than they are white. I'm sorry you struggle with that. It's just reality.

Sneakylong

Toulon

Since 2013 the Census Bureau has basically allowed the one drop rule and counted babies with as little as a small amount of Hispanic or African American, Native Amercan (minority) blood as non-white. If the government says you're non-white then what are you?

The one drop rule was a social and legal determination as to race. People who have an ancestor as non white can identify with that race whether it be Black, Hispanic or Native American. So hopefully we can agree on that.

I really don't know what your argument is. The one drop rule was the law for many years as a way to discriminate. Now that people want to identify as a minority race as a matter of pride you say you can't do that. You say you must use all of your ancestry and not exclude one over the other. If your mother was white and your father was black you can't claim to be black.

The fact is people who are of a mixed race ancestry can identify with the so called minority race. But your argument appears that they must state both or all of their ancestry and not claim one over the other.

That's ludicrous and there's no law mandating that (that) I'm aware of. Using your logic everyone needs to have a DNA test and state all regions / races of their ancestry and must not identify with one over the other.

Again, I have no problem if someone wants to use the one drop rule and identify with the minority race if they choose to do so. You have some weird issue with it for some reason.

Toulon

Sneakylong

You fail to grasp the point I've made time and time again. You should've quit when you unwittingly brought us back decades by reminding of the 3/5 rule which a guy like you would've lived under because that's what the govt. told you. It would be WRONG but a guy like you could cling to...the govt says...the govt says! It would still be WRONG. That's what you don't get. You keep claiming what other people are saying as your truth. What is your truth? Can you look at this objectively and see with your own eyes that a person with one white parent and one black isn't black or white? You just don't understand that...FACT. Not what govt. says not opinion. What is FACT.

I have said that I do not care how anyone wishes to identify themselves. I don't care how the govt. counts people. I don't care about one person's opinion on the one drop rule.

Here it is again... A person with one white parent and one black parent is no more white than they are black but for some odd reason there is a rush to call that person, black. What you're tying to tell me is if Colin or Barack wanted to identify as white that is what YOU would call them? I doubt that.

No dog in the fight for me. If I want to claim I'm black that's my business. If I want to claim I'm Asian same thing. I can claim to be whatever I want. What will never change is that if I have a parent of one race and a parent of another I'm not just ONE race. I'm a MIX of the two. You fail to grasp that time and time again and professor with his purported enlightenment doesn't seem to get it either. Calling me ignorant is filthy stinkin rich. I don't care what ANYONE says about what someone is that has a parent of a different race. They aren't a singular race. They're a mixture.

What guys like you and now prof and ode I guess from his mad liking of your posts is...

You guys would think the following. If the color red was assigned the one drop of red rule by some arbitrary opinion then when the color red mixed with the color green it would still be... red. Do you realize how that isn't correct? If someone's opinion or the govt. still counted it as red would it really be red? No. When you mix red and green you get...something not red and not green. You get...yellow. In your world it would be red but anyone with common sense would see that red and green mixed made yellow.

Keep calling red plus green red and calling me ignorant. It's awesome.

professor

Toulon Whenever someone has one white parent and one black parent why are they thought of as: black?

Colin Kaepernick is not black. Barack Obama was not black.

REALLY? You're a geneticist now?! OMG The ignorance in this statement. If you're a darker shade of brown - significantly darker and are readily identified as "black" then, you may choose to consider yourself a person of color. How a Caucasian is allowed to even think, let alone express such ignorance in this day in age is mind-bogglin!

sdandrea1

I tried to self-identify as a wealthy person, but alas....................

professor

rsvman I do think that African-Americans often don't get a fair shot, and are treated poorly by police officers more often than whites. They are more likely to be convicted, more likely to serve longer jail sentences, and more likely to get the death penalty versus whites accused of the same crimes.

So it probably shouldn't surprise anybody that they are gunned down unnecessarily more frequently than are white people. This is something that needs to stop.

When he first started all this ruckus I wasn't sure of his motivations and thought it was somewhat disrespectful of the flag and the anthem. As time has passed and I've had time to think about it, I think it accomplished the goal of getting people talking about a problem that needed attention.

If the end result of all this is that steps are taken to actually prevent racial disparities in law enforcement, then in the long run it was obviously a good idea. If all that comes out of it is a series of Nike commercials and a bunch of guys arguing on internet forums, then it was a waste.

Yes, yes, and YES! Exactly!

professor

limpalong Our son, a combat veteran with almost 15 years in the U.S. Army, has posted the 'Oath of Enlistment'. His comment is very simple. He is sworn to support and defend the Constitution, not a piece of cloth or a song. That Constitution guarantees certain freedoms and liberties. He is prepared to sacrifice all for the ability of Americans to peacefully protest and/or dissent without fear of reprisal. He and his wife both take issue with those who suggest CK's kneeling is disrespectful to our active duty military and veterans. Personally, I believe a meme that depicts CK with our soldiers as they are exiting a landing craft... and attempting to show it as him disrespecting our military... is significantly more disrespectful than CK exercising the rights those soldiers are willing to die for.

Damn straight!

professor

johnnydoom I don't know your son, doubt his sincerity or begrudge his opinion, but I know dozens of veterans and active military and not a single one of them shares the view that your son has in this matter.

Then you have a limited circle of friends because there are many.

professor

Par4QC I'd have to question this statement. If true, why were there not discrimination suits filed? If it could be proven.

Hello! Perhaps it's because impoverished folks can't hire the better attorneys. 'Ya think?

Par4QC

professor One last reply...

They should not have to hire 'better attorneys' if there is such discrimination going on. Where is Jesse and Al, and the NAACP? Surely someone has taken notice the last 100 yrs.. ???

professor

johnnydoom Freedom gives Kaepernick the right to protest how he wishes. ........ To that end I respect your freedom to see the issue as you do, but I have chosen not to support this particular means of protest.

Do you even understand what he's protesting? It isn't an anthem, a flag, and it isn't war veterans or members of the armed services.

Sarnella

Are you trying to tell me our justice system is based on how much
money one has or can spend on a lawyer? I never heard of such
an outlandish idea.

professor

johnnydoom .....I did what they told me to because I was taught that from birth.

Hilarious -from birth. I'm guessing you were born white. Such objective, informed egalitarianism.

Once again I'll ask the Caucasian members of this forum if they truly believe that a white father teaches his white son how to "behave" when pulled over by the police for no reason but the color of his skin? Because you can rest assured that black father's do teach their sons this. Why is that?!

PA-PLAYA

professor

Yes. My father, who was present in my life growing up taught me to respect authority. And the fact that I haven't been gunned down or have a criminal record might have as much to do with the fact that I had a father at home teaching me right from wrong and to exercise some intelligence in certain circumstance as it does with me being caucasian.

And with that, I'm bowing out of this fucking stupid thread.

johnnydoom

professor Not only from birth, but I am still learning. And since I said I was through with the non-golf thread, I’ll leave it at that.

Par4QC

professor Because you can rest assured that black father's do teach their sons this.

That is about the funniest thing I've read. This year!

You know this to be a fact?

Do you have the figure for white fathers being present in a child's life vs. black fathers being present in a child's life? I'd like to see that stat, please. While you are at it, throw out the stat of whites vs. blacks that are incarcerated. Show us who obeys the laws, after they are told/shown by their father to do so.

Like others here....I'm done with this idiocy.

professor

PA-PLAYA Yes. My father, who was present in my life growing up taught me to respect authority.

Of course he did. I know this about you. But, this response was not an answer to a specific question I'd asked.

professor

Par4QC You know this to be a fact?

Right...! Because only statistics makes common sense become reality. Sorry you're so limited by one myth of science. LOL

professor

Par4QC They should not have to hire 'better attorneys' if there is such discrimination going on. Where is Jesse and Al, and the NAACP? Surely someone has taken notice the last 100 yrs.. ???

Response seems cynically racist to me. Thanks for the validation.

ZWExton

Toulon I think when most people make a statement about Tiger/Obama/whoever being black, what they mean is non-white-due-to-african-ancestry. Since racism is more about what someone looks like than what their actual lineage is, someone 50% black is black enough to be discriminated against since they're obviously not white. People with a grudge against Asians don't really care if a person is from China, Japan, Taiwan, etc. They "look Asian" enough.

Most would consider Obama the first black President in that he was clearly non-white, and black is more accurate than Hispanic, Asian, etc. He has dark skin, which is generally from African ancestry. That's what most people mean by "black."

The crusade for half-black-isn't-black is an odd one, even if technically correct. A visibly black person identifying as black does not seem worthy of extreme criticism.

I don't think, in the event of being victimized due to the color of their skin, stating "But I'm only half black" would make a difference.

professor

Toulon Here it is again... A person with one white parent and one black parent is no more white than they are black but for some odd reason there is a rush to call that person, black

Here it sure is - again... You speaking of "facts" and then offering your speculative and assumptive opinion. What is that called, again?

Toulon

ZWExton

Your post is well reasoned and fair in my mind. I get the "not white" thing 100%. However, that's as big of a problem as not recognizing someone is not black if they have a white parent. Why is white the standard to judge anything against?

I'm a mix of several nationalities. If someone asks me about my heritage I tell them. If someone was to ask someone who came from a black and white union about their heritage I would hope they would answer that they come from both sides not just one.

The point is...why do so many quickly jump to someone being black when they're just as much white? Kaepernick doesn't look black to me one bit. I've said he looks middle eastern to me. He could identify as white or black. That's fine. I'm just saying, again, that it's wrong to immediately call someone just black if they have one black parent.

Your Tiger example was a great one. Tiger is NOT black. He will tell you that himself. Still, that doesn't stop the ignorance from the masses in identifying him as black. I understand what we're talking about here. I'm bemused at those calling me ignorant. I'll bet those calling me ignorant are the same ones who call Tiger "black" when he, himself, will tell you that he isn't. Yet, if I was to tell you that I would be told I'm ignorant for saying Tiger isn't black. He's not. It doesn't even matter if he says he is. He isn't because he has one black parent and one Asian parent. It's common sense that seems to escape some.

professor

Toulon Why is white the standard to judge anything against?

Now this is actually a worthy question. Once you come to the conclusion with an accurate answer then, perhaps you'll better grasp what is prejudice - the natural function of the human brain when it tries to digest and categorize information.
Why is the dominant, ruling class of people the standard?

ZWExton

Toulon Why is white the standard to judge anything against?

The racism in this country has been white vs non-white for most of time; non-white black, non-white Hispanic, non-white Asian, etc. When considering whether prejudice is softening, white v non-white is the big (though not only) one.

Again, it really seems to come down to what a person looks like, as dumb as that is. To an old east Texas bastard, being dark is "black enough" even if the person is only 25%, or 10% black by ancestry. That's how twisted that one-drop rule was - a legal means to discriminate against anyone who was even remotely black. As if having any black lineage resulted in a detestable person. Yikes!

So Tiger/Obama/Caep are "black enough" for the rasicts, thus their achievements are relevant to the black minority. People that hate blacks would hate Obama, even though he isn't 100% black.

Sneakylong

I'm climbing back out of this rabbit hole of ignorance and will end with a few facts.

Kaepernick was protesting racial injustice, not the anthem. Nike has made $6 billion since the Kaepernick ad. People will say this issue has hurt viewership of the NFL, but they fail to mention all viewership is down among all the major networks.

And finally in the words of MLK. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

professor

Sneakylong ....all viewership is down among all the major networks.

Yes, of course it is. The demographics of the "viewership" has changed. Folks are live-streaming and younger adults just aren't as interested.

Funny when racists make "factual" statements based upon their opinions of changes in data... LOL

mikeintopeka

Sneakylong Nike has made $6 billion since the Kaepernick ad.

The outstanding stock has appreciated in price so the stockholders have seen an accumulative increase in the valuations. Investors will be anxiously awaiting their next quarter's earnings report to see if there has been a gain/loss in revenues from sales since the ad.

Tinker

The non consistent part of the whole mentality in this country is that the only outrage comes from what is perceived as anti black prejudices. I remember back when the media was enraged during the Baltimore riots, choosing every word with surgical political correctness yet the media and for that matter the political leaders had no problem talking about the “paddy wagon”. Did they even realize that’s an anti Irish ethnic slur? Would they have been comfortable saying “ sambo wagon”. I know a guy that got stopped for drunk driving and got frisky with the cops. They smacked the shit out of him and locked him up, rightly so. I’m still waiting for the riot or pro drunken loud mouth march.

professor

Tinker .....talking about the “paddy wagon”. Did they even realize that’s an anti Irish ethnic slur?

Perhaps some folks just can't grasp that there's a major false equivalency in identifying earlier ethnic immigrants assimilation into the 'american culture'. In those eras those immigrants from parts of Great Britain and Italy had an easier time, as time passed BECAUSE they didn't look so significantly different from the dominating and ruling class.

Scary how folks just seem to want to refute this obvious - obvious reality.

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