Nevermind, bumpstock-
Jesus....that is pretty slick, but also damn scary the difference!
Dumbest Thing I've read today, via the internet......
Suicide is a completely different matter than mass shootings. That's why, if you want to have a serious discussion about firearm laws, you have to throw those numbers out. If you take guns away the suicide numbers would most likely stay the same. They may drop some but I don't think it would be much.
Once you remove those from the equation, along with a couple other categories, then you have numbers you can work with.
Sneakylong enhanced background checks
There's already a background check system in place. If you think making them "better" is going to help, you're frankly mistaken. Criminals don't care about your laws. You can pass as many as you want and they're not gonna change at all.
candukid You cannot go back to the 50's and apple pie and sock hops.
A thing about those times, that people do not think about, is the fact that there were probably close to as many gun owners in the U.S. as there are today. Or maybe I should say, owners that had as many guns as there are today. It was times of hunting for food, not the pleasure of killing. We handled guns as young kids(pre-teen) back then. They were single shot, as much as was necessary. IF you knew how to shoot. I'd hate to see a fat rabbit after being hit with an automatic weapon; actually, I don't think you'd be able to see anything of it!! And anyone using a hollow point would have been beaten by their father.
Never did/still don't understand the need for an automatic, outside the military. In the 1st place, it takes no damn skill to hit anything.
Par4QC don't understand the need for an automatic
It's a very, very (did I say very) painstaking process to obtain an automatic weapon, even in the U.S.
We do agree about one of your points, though, in the 1900's (I say that like it was a long time ago) firearms weren't treated with disdain by so many. Firearms safety was taught in school and embraced by all (ok, probably most). Heck, I remember a time in high school when a less than extraordinarily intelligent kid at school walked out to his pickup during lunch break, pulled out his hunting rifle, and shot a deer on the hill across the road. He broke about 3 or 4 rules/laws all at once there, but having a gun in his vehicle at school wasn't one of them. It was almost hunting season and I'm fairly sure he had plans to go practice after school in preparation for the upcoming season. No one even questioned why he had the gun at school. It was not a big deal as it shouldn't have been. What they did question was 1) why he went out to his truck before school was out (closed campus), 2) shot at a deer out of season, 3) across a road, 3)... and the list went on.
Par4QC ... or imagine how many patriots might have armed themselves with a tool similar to what they'd face if they ever had to defend their country against their government.
Seriously, let's think about this. Bumpstocks are not a new thing. They've been out for many years and I would be willing to bet there are thousands of them out there and this is the very first time you've heard about one being used with ill intent.
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puttnfool is that why "Patriots" arm themselves with that kind if firearm, the thought really is to protect oneself from its own government?
And it is a fundamental question, is it worthy of taking away the right to have things like bumpstock from law abiding citizens to try and prevent the non law abiding citizens from obtaining them, or to prevent these mass killings.
Easy for me to say yes, as I do not own one, nor will I, at least that's where I'm at now. Don't hunt, don't target shoot, don't collect. I do know quite a few folks that hunt and they are quite reasonable people and none of them own these bump stocks or have these semi auto weapons.
Hunter safety instructor and firearm safety instructor in a public school system in the 70's. Today you would be arrested. Also a handgun safety instructor that used to train police so they could qualify to carry a weapon. I own one or more firearms and have never seen the need for a Bump stock. They were approved, twice by the BATFE during the last Administration as not violating the Automatic/Machine Gun rules. Using one for any length of time in a semi-auto rifle will result in a burned out barrel, cracked bolt mechanism and damage the chamber of your firearm. A semi-auto firearm is not designed nor built to withstand that type of stress. To me, dumb to own and dumberer to use. Unless you have money to burn on firearms and ammo. If that is the case, I need a new set of golf clubs so send the money to me, I'll put it to good use...
candukid . You really need to get with the times. The world has changed and your country is falling behind because of backward thinking people like you. You cannot go back to the 50's and apple pie and sock hops. Your kind has been passed by. Get over it.
To our Canadian friends on this board. I have visited your beautiful country numerous times to vacation and admire a lot of what your government has put in place. Learn from our mistakes and some of the things we've done right in America.
I just learned there have been 3 terrorist related incidents in Canada so far this year. I found that interesting that the USA has also had 3 terror incidents so far this year and we have almost 10 times the population. (The jury is still out on Mr Paddock in Vegas because ISIS is claiming he converted early this year but that is unconfirmed.)
The recent killing in Edmonton was an attacker that had deportation orders in the USA but he made his way to the Canadian border and was granted asylum a few years ago.
The most recent confirmed attack in the States was just a few weeks ago when a Sudanese immigrant shot and killed one church member, injured 8 others, after a Sunday morning service southeast of Nashville. He was interrupted by the sole usher who had the wits to go get his gun out of his car and confront the attacker holding him until authorities arrived.
I'm not for closed borders and isolationism but we do need to know who these immigrants are that want to get in to our countries.
525 years too late.
ode the thought really is to protect oneself from its own government?
What did you think the purposed of the 2nd amendment was anyway? It ain't to protect your right to hunt.