SneakyLong said-Well my starting position is to get rid of the Second Amendment..
And you call the NRA scaremongerers? This is why the right doesn't trust the left. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. END.OF.CONVERSATION
Dumbest Thing I've read today, via the internet......
ZWExton I've got to say this is the best post of the entire thread. You have it and carry it because you can, and that is fine imo. You also realize that you may never have to, nor even get to (if needed) use it.
I don't think most of the people complaining about guns are complaining about any amendment rights. There is just no damn reason for any of these automatic weapons to even be produced, let alone privately owned. Outside of the military. People that do own them really have no clue as to the damage they might inflict while trying to be the "hero" protecting themselves or their families. And I don't care how much training anyone has. Put that weapon in the hands of some nervous m'fer that's thinking he's Bronson saving the world & you got hell coming. Growing up, listening to those that had them, the 30.06 was a very dangerous gun to own. Those old fellas used to say..."they just get going good in a mile". Miss your intended target, and just where did the bullet go, and what did it hit? Imagine firing off several dozen rounds in a few seconds, and only hitting the target with a few.
Guns in general are fine. Get rid of the autos/semis, and anything that will make them such. Leave those for the military; if they miss intended targets, they'll hit the others behind them/beside them. And that's just fine with me.
Here’s an idea-since 90% of all Democrats live in cities and 75% of all Republicans live in rural areas, why don’t democratic controlled cities introduce a no gun policy within their city limits? That way almost everyone will be happy...........
JeffTilley That way almost everyone will be happy...........
I'm pretty sure that almost everyone will never be happy. 
Par4QC The required class to acquire the CC/OC license in TX is almost exclusively about the decision you're making to draw your gun. Regardless of intent, you are responsible for every round. They did a great job educating me/the group about the responsibility you have when you are carrying a firearm.
If you're not incredibly sure that what you're about to do is the right thing, don't do it. That means being very sure you can hit your target, and very sure your target warrants hitting. Things are not always what they appear.
If I was being shot at from a ten story balcony, I'm out of luck. I'd never be able to hit target with a pistol in those conditions. More likely to hurt someone than save someone.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check/
Might be helpful to check before talking thru your ass.
Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43 percent of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2014, according to FBI data, nearly eight times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1 percent of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at these claims found that more than half involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A study in Philadelphia found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Myth #2: Guns don’t kill people—people kill people.
Fact-check: People with access to more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. States with higher gun ownership rates have higher gun murder rates—as much as 114 percent higher than states with lower gun ownership rates.
• A recent study looking at 30 years of homicide data found that for every one percent increase in a state’s gun ownership rate, there is a nearly one percent increase in its firearm homicide rate.
• Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as safe-storage requirements or assault-weapons bans.
Just shows the whole bullshit argument that gun nuts propagate is just that, bullshit. Still, with the facts on gun safety advocates side, BULLSHIT wins the day. We may be the most powerful nation, but power doesn't equate to intelligence.
Idiocy is winning the day regarding our countries fetish with guns.
Weak assed disingenuous reply.
May be helpful if you quit pulling liberal sources outta your ass......
My apologies to anyone I may have offended in this thread. Too much political overload. Please lock this thread before shit gets really ugly.......
I don't know what qualifies as a "liberal source," so I don't know if you would mistrust this source just as much as you mistrust Mother Jones, but The Washington Post reported in 2008 that 83% of gun fatalities in the home were from suicide. Guns were mainly purchased for protection.
JeffTilley
Not offended in the least. I'm with ya.
Well, the WP definitely ain't conservative. On a scale from 1to 10 with 1 being liberal loons and 10 being common sense conservative, I'd say they rate a solid 2.3/10.
rsvman in 2008 that 83% of gun fatalities in the home were from suicide. Guns were mainly purchased for protection.
Jus imagine, if guns were out of the picture, then this would likely read:
in 2008 that 83% of rope fatalities in the home were from suicide. Ropes were mainly purchased for securing objects.
In a court of law, that statement would be disallowed. Pure speculation, at best.
Pills
Gas ovens
Slit wrists
carbon monoxide
etc.
Many ways to off oneself without a gun. A gun leaves you no chance to change your mind, or give you a second chance.
I once read about a man in Indiana that committed suicide with a claw hammer. At first, the police suspected murder, as he had been hit in the head 21 times!! Coroner confirmed suicide.
Which statement?
Par4QC , or give you a second chance.
Not all suicides attempted with guns are successful. Occasionally, there are folks that can't even get that right and end up missing and leave themselves as a vegetable or barely wounded. Stranger things have happened.
It’s really hard to find non-biased fact finding any more. I have my opinions on why that is, but it’s only an opinion, and we all know what they say about opinions.......
FYI with private discussions, you can create a post with a few members and carry on the debate there. Since it seems only a few of you are going back and forth here. 
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Just for comparison to a couple of other 'civilized' countries. Americans are 96 times more likely to die by gun than is someone from Japan. And 32 times more likely than Germany. These numbers exclude suicides, accidents and armed conflict.
El Salvador has the highest gun deaths per 100,000 at 40.29. Singapore has the lowest at 0.03 per 100,000. The United States has the 31st highest rate in the world at 3.85 per 100,000.
Source. University of Washington Institute for Health, Metrics and Evaluation. 2016 numbers.