39" Single Length Irons

garyt1957

OK, in my quest to try every crazy new swing found on youtube I discovered "Standup Golf". To do it you need 39" single length irons! What lie angle would I need irons bent to to be able to play them at 39"?

I realize a normal PW on a 39" shaft will be like swinging a sledge hammer, but I want to give it a try with maybe a 7 iron.

I don't know if they market their own irons to be built to 39" or not but I don't think they do.

So I was playing in a tournament and my driving had totally left me and that's one of the few things I do well on a golf course. I try everything I can and nothing works so on the back nine I remember this Standup Golf stuff and figure it can't be worse. I proceeded to hit 5 of the next 6 fw's at better distance than my normal swing. I also hit the green on two par 3's using the swing. So now my interest is piqued and I have to give it a try.

I imagine I'd need stiffer shafts to play them that long with traditional heads? Can Pinhawks be bent enough to play at 39"?

Rickochet

garyt1957 I realize a normal PW on a 39" shaft will be like swinging a sledge hammer, but I want to give it a try with maybe a 7 iron.

I am playing a set of Wishon Sterling SL's at 39" at standard lie and I hit them well. Mine are the same weight as an 8 iron and tip trimmed accordingly. I normally play non SL wedges at 38". My non SL 8 iron is usually 39" so the Wishons at 8 iron head weight and length looked like a good fit for me and it was.

ZWExton

39" is not outrageous. Isn't a standard 5i 38" or so?

You will have a hard time finding heads that work unless you like a heavy feel to the swing. Since existing single length designs are made to be played in the 37" range, that extra 2" will add some heft: 12 swing weight points.

Maybe with very light shafts...

As for low angle, do you like hitting your 3i/4i? That'd be where you start since the length is pretty close already.

DC300

You won't find much, if anything out there for this, look at the specs of a 3 iron, that's the basic guideline. Not to be negative, but why on earth would you want to deal with clubs that long? Unless you are really tall, I can't see making it harder on yourself to find the center of the club, but that's me.

garyt1957

DC300

Well I wouldn't with my own swing but the idea behind this swing is you "stand up" so regular length irons won't work. I just like to try stuff out no matter how crazy. The success I had in a very limited trial piqued my interest.
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Coppertop

39" sits between a 2 and a 3 iron! Go with 38.5" and 4 iron length maybe? Pick up and old set of forged cavity backs and bend them all to 60° would mean only have to bend the PW about 3° upright and the 3 iron about 2° flat (working from a Mizuno MP33 spec sheet here).

I suppose you could trawl ebay and pick up single ping heads at various dot settings, silver for the PW, white for the 9 iron, yellow for the 8 iron, green for the 7 iron, blue for the 6 iron, black for the 5 iron, red for the 4 iron and purple/orange for the 3 iron. best thing with that is you could make up a combo set! G series 3,4,5, I series 6,7,8 and S series for the 9 & PW. Adjust the swing weights with a combination of shaft weight, grip weight, lead tape and drilling/grinding.

Actually, this has got me thinking!

puttnfool

Coppertop only have to bend the PW about 3° upright and the 3 iron about 2° flat

That's backwards. If you're trying to get them to 60°, then PW would need to be bent flatter because it's 3° more upright than 60°. The 3i would need to be bent more upright.

scotts33

Looks like some similarity to the Single Plane swing of Bryson DeChambeau.

I would do some research on Moe Norman's Single Plane swing.

ZWExton

scotts33

A 100yd shot with a 39" pitching wedge?? Is this miniature golf or what?

garyt1957

scotts33

This guy's a bit of a putz("Watch what i do" he must say that ten times) but like I said I tried the driver swing and it worked well, for the 6 holes I tried it on. i just like fooling arond with things .

DC300

scotts33

That guy would make a hell of a used car salesman. I'm not buying that awful swing though. I'll stick to an "athletic" address and hit the ball. I want to see that guy hit a ball 280 as he says... if he pulls it off, I'd buy a set of his clubs.

garyt1957

Rickochet

So you tip trimmed them to an eight iron? I was thinking I might need to go up a flex if I played an 8 iron at 39"? and even more likely for a PW.

scotts33

garyt1957

IMO Stand Up is nothing more than a version of Single Plane.

garyt1957

DC300

No way that guy can hit it 250 let alone 280, but as i said I did hit it my normal distance and evn a bit above, about 240.

Rickochet

garyt1957 So you tip trimmed them to an eight iron? I was thinking I might need to go up a flex if I played an 8 iron at 39"? and even more likely for a PW.

Here is my take on SL shafting. I have played 4 or 5 sets of SL clubs over the years at varying lengths and head weights. IHMO the most important thing is to tip trim the shaft to match the head weight. If the weight is 274g that is what an 8 iron head usually weighs. Pick the flex for the shaft you normally use with a 274g 8 iron and tip trim the shaft for that. Then butt trim it to whatever playing length you want.

Par4QC

garyt1957 He's good. As good as any other hack. 1st ball=rips a divot. 2nd ball=picked/swept. Great teacher/salesman!

sdandrea1

I can't wrap my head around any swing concept that puts my hands FURTHER away from the ball. If I was to go single length, it would be at a shorter length. There's a reason I hit my 9 iron WAY better than my 3 iron. Loss of distance? Make it up with a strong short game.

Rickochet

sdandrea1 If I was to go single length, it would be at a shorter length. There's a reason I hit my 9 iron WAY better than my 3 iron. Loss of distance? Make it up with a strong short game.

That's what single length is all about. My non SL 8 iron is my money club. It just happens that the Wishon SL's weigh the same as my 8 iron. So, all the clubs swing like my sweet 8 iron with no swing changes needed.

sdandrea1

Rickochet

Exactly. Why go to 39" and stand up straighter? I would think that would add to ball striking inconsistency.

rsvman

sdandrea1 I guess if you had absolutely no idea how to maintain your spine angle you might get more consistency even with a longer club because you would take one variable out of the equation.

But I think that guy is a bit nutso, and I don't think he can hit the ball very far if for no other reason than the fact that I see virtually no lag in that swing. Where is his swing speed coming from?

garyt1957

rsvman

I agree that video looks like a scam, but the guy could have a good idea and just not be good in front of the camera, and obviously he isn't.

As for maintaining spine angle, some people can't do it just because of back issues not lack of talent.

As for swing speed, I don't know where it comes from but I hit the ball a bit farther than with my conventional swing when I tried it last week for 6 holes. 5 of 6 fw's too, with the 6th being just off. Now, I'm not a big hitter and my normal swing features a collapse at the top I can't seem to get rid of so maybe those "half" swings were keeping my arms lower where they couldn't collapse hence better contact. I was in the 235-250 range where normally I'm 220-230.

As to direction, I hit every ball dead straight. The irons (I was using my conventional clubs) went quite low as did the one 3 wood I hit off the deck but everything went straight, I'm thinking the trajectory might be because of the short club lengths? Who knows. I know I saw enough to be intrigued. I have a tournament this weekend and if I can get out beforehand to try this a little more in depth I may use it to start. I really don't get to play except once a week.

I did try my Frankeniron pw built to 39" and it was no bueno. Felt too stiff and head heavy. I was just in a field near my house and only hit 5 balls but it didn't look promising. For this to have any chance to work to me, I'd need to grind a ton of weight off the head, not worth the trouble.

So I hope to give this swing one more shot than back off to youtube to see what else I can find to dabble with. It's like a hobby to me. I should have kept track but off the top of my head these are a few I've tried:
Gravity Golf
Peak Performance Golf
Ron Del Barrio
Jim Venetos
Ballard
Square to Square (two versions)
Master Key
Peter Croker

Coppertop

puttnfool

Cheerfully withdrawn! Your way does make much more sense, I always get the flat/upright thing mixed up because I look at the numbers and forget which is flatter, the higher number or the lower number.

I'm sure you get the gist though.