Review of short heavy irons

DonM · 2022-09-20T00:57:32+00:00

I’m really happy! I took an old set of GS irons, cut them down and added a ton of lead tape. 6i 36.5” 7i 36.25 8i 36 9i 35.75 PW & AW. 35.5 80 gram gra...

DC300

Typhoon I’d like to give them a run myself. I tried some of the older models in the woods, they were ok. It seems they are one of the only heavier iron shafts out there without jumping to stupid expensive.

Spuzz

DonM Heavier and softer is rare, especially in graphite

As you noted, heavier graphite usually is stiffer, at least in the old days.
SMT Mike mentioned that years ago.

I currently have Accra Steel (post Rifle/Royal Precision) that I assembled at 4.5 flex.
Best of both worlds for me.
Maybe look for a 4.0 set of Rifles for yourself?

KCee

DonM I demo'd a set of Mizuno irons with the Recoil 95R a few years ago, and they felt like rebar. So I guess I'm just weird.

I have a set of irons with Recoil 110 and I find them far smoother than the Recoil 95. Not sure if the profile is different or what. I've tried other shafts like that as well. I love the Oban Devotion 7 in my fairway and in a mini driver, but the Devotion 6 feels like cr*p in a driver. You would think the shaft would just be lighter, but I'm told they are a very different profile as well.

scotts33

DonM You are looking for smooth but a stiffer tip profile. I'd be looking for that kind of shaft profile. Issue is head weight/shaft weight they have to coincide.

DonM

scotts33 I get what you are saying, you want a well balanced club. My latest experiment is not quite there.

DonM

scotts33 What makes a shaft smooth? Not a trick question!

scotts33

DonM What makes a shaft smooth? Not a trick question!

In Nippon's case it's quality control that's where it starts. They manufacture the best quality available in steel. True Temper's quality in Amory, MS is some of the worst. Smooth can mean different things to different golfers. Shaft fit = club head speed, transition time, release early, mid, late. The transition time and release are what separates golfers into shaft needs and shaft profiles they fit. Heft separates them further with shaft weight/head weight into playing length.

Example a lot of seniors and ladies are fit into too light a shaft weight and low heft match which makes the club "feel" too light and they can't keep club on plane.

Typhoon

scotts33 I have a light shaft , Nippon Modus 105 in the clubs I used to use. I was discussing the shaft with a friend who is similar to me. We both had the same problem getting high amd right ball flights. He went to the Modus 120, I tried a DGPro s300… both heavier shafts and THAT kept the shaft on plane and eliminates the right miss.

KCee

Whenever I found a shaft that felt smooth to me, but also performed well, the profile would show that the tip section was relatively firm while the butt was softer. I think materials made a difference as well. A Proforce V2 75 would work well for me, but the similar profile Accra would definitely feel better. Although the Accra would always seem to require a more consistent tempo than the PF for me.......and neither consistent nor tempo are words you would associate with my swing.

Typhoon

KCee The soft butt transmits the soft feeling but you you can’t have a quick transition because you’ll never control it. I like the Modus 120 but if I get quick I it’s the demo club, it’s all over the place.

KCee

Typhoon The soft butt transmits the soft feeling but you you can’t have a quick transition because you’ll never control it.

I am too quick, but I think the stiffer tip helps control things. I agree with a too quick transition you can't have any section of the shaft be too soft. I do think that I slow down my swing when the shaft feels better though. I can hit Dynamic Gold, but it feels like sh*t to me even in R300 and I think it makes me swing harder. I would rather Nippon or KBS where you get a nicer feel and I don't want to try and kill it. I have DG 105 in my irons now and it's ok, but I miss my Recoil 110 and will probably swap them this winter.

Typhoon

KCee KBS Ctaper lite at 110 grams might be good for you. The standard project x 5.5-6.0 gives me great dispersion numbers. Ball speed and distance are a not the best but it’s close. Just can’t beat the tight dispersion.

KCee

Typhoon Yes I think I recall trying the C Taper Lite shaft and liking it. I always liked the original KBS Tour and the FST Pro 125. Last fitting I got to try the Oban and Shimada steel shafts as well and they had great feel. I got the DG 105 since it was no extra charge and the launch monitor #'s were as good as anything else. I would swap my Recoils in now, but my daughter's boyfriend has my old clubs....for now.

DonM

Yeah they make all these shaft flavors for a reason. When you find the right one, it's magic. I've had that luck with driver shafts but only somewhat with irons. I'm in the mood right now to work on the iron shaft puzzle. I had some good luck last night with my second test combo so now I'm building out the set.

DonM

Today I took my normal irons out on the course today, with a swing adjustment, and they were great. Go figure.

Still, I have another, different, shorter set on deck.

Typhoon

DonM No idea why people don't blame their own swings. If my game is off, I don't go looking at making 4 clubs 4"over length, bending 1 club 8 degrees flat, duct taping a swing donut to the end of the club, putt with the grip end instead of the head like guys do here. Just wait a couple days, go back out and you're fine. If not, take a lesson. Gotta chill out and relax.😁

DonM

Typhoon Understood, but even with my flawed swing some irons work better than others. I still think shorter irons are in my future.

KCee

Typhoon So fittings are a waste of time? Some days I can swing any club really well and other days I can't swing ANY club well at all. Doesn't seem to matter how the club is built. It's just whether or not I have some tempo and can find something.

Typhoon

DonM I dunno... you had a good round, I saw your score! Seems for you time spent figuring out you swing was time better spent than on clubwork! Congrats on fixing yourself

colej

KCee

Depends on your talent level. If you’re John you can hit just about anything and score well.

Typhoon

KCee So fittings are a waste of time? Some days I can swing any club really well and other days I can't swing ANY club well at all. Doesn't seem to matter how the club is built. It's just whether or not I have some tempo and can find something.

I get people with awful swings that are absolutely terrible. I look at what they have now and put them into something that is more for their body dimensions, swing speed and talent level. I even tell them that these are what you’ll be best with if you plan on getting better.

It’s when you start getting off the rails building weird shit that the lightbulb should go off. Are there baseball players using 65 oz bats that are 8 feet long? No…. Building weird shit isn’t gonna hold up if you have some semblance of a golf swing.

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