Typhoon Someone would buy into it.

That's the difference between Mr. De La Torre and the YouTube schmucks of today. His teaching before the internet have stood the test of time. Read the wiki that Subsonic posted for the validity of Ernest Jones and Manuel De La Torre. Especially for the old curmudgeons on this site who all seem to have some heath issues body wise. Hmmmm, I am 73 with no knee or hip replacement or health torso issues Manuel must have been on to something. I still walk and carry 18. 😆

      If you put in the work and read the books, the Jones/MDLT method is one of the better methods that I have seen. I wish I would have discovered it years ago.

      Not sure club focused or body focused swings are methods. I think of stack and tilt as a method. Or Leadbetters A swing a method.

      Maybe just semantics, but for me to fall in one camp or another it’s what you feel you are doing to swing the club.

      I think of no body movement independent of my hands and arms swinging the club. The body just reacts and supports the hands and arms.

      And if you concentrate on body movements first and the hands and arms are secondary then that’s a body focused swing.

      Now you can have different club focused methods and body focused methods. Just watch YouTube. You’ll see all kinds of methods. Lol

      Body focused swings are like 90 percent of what is taught these days.

      Regarding distance with the MDLT swing, I have not noticed a drop off. Still poking it out there fairly well. Last week I was 189 out and used a 5 iron to put it in the center of the green. That distance is normal, but putting it on the green is not. 😀

      scotts33 I do believe so. It seems as if the left and right misses have lessened in severity as opposed to when I was manipulating (rolling) the clubface through impact.

          Subsonic I do believe so. It seems as if the left and right misses have lessened in severity as opposed to when I was manipulating (rolling) the clubface through impact.

          Great! Target focus is huge in Jones/De La Torre. Most don't focus on a target playing golf it's just a figment down there in front of them.

              scotts33 @Subsonic Do you find you are more accurate than in the past?

              I was watching one of the MDLT videos and it really reminds me of Monte’s “No turn cast” where is hands and arms to get the club back and then just swing. Montes is very accurate as well. I’ve tried it and a few pros here I know use it and the accuracy is crazy.

                The crazy thing about golf is you never know what epiphany or key will work for you or where it will come from. The problem is most epiphanies don’t last. They’re fleeting.

                The problem with golf also is no golfer at any level plays well all the time. The inconsistency at all levels can be maddening. You find something then lose it. Find it, lose it, find it, lose it. It’s a constant battle.

                And the search for the lasting epiphany seems to never end. For example Larry David had a lesson (You Tuber Adam Porzak) recently and started using a left arm dominant swing and it was a game changer for him.

                Will it last? Look at Pros like Jordon Spieth and Rickie Fowler. Spieth lost it for awhile and Rickie has yet to completely find his way out of lost and found.

                Golfers would take a tip from a stranger in an elevator. Lol

                  Sneakylong The problem is most epiphanies don’t last. They’re fleeting.

                  Amen. If you get a swing key to last 18 holes, it is eye opening. More than 27, it borders unbelievable. More than 36 - evening news time.
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                    My only thought is the target. I have no swing thoughts. Golf is not a game of perfection and perfectionists make lousy golfers. If you want to think about something think about impact and how many good impacts you have not score. Don't think about score. Enjoy the walk and your companions.

                    Folks today have the attention span of a gnat so one swing thought and your game is shot. Over thinking, locked up over the ball, just one more swing thought, more tension, yadda yadda.

                    In the above video John McCreary said....."sure you are going to have some bad shots". Move on stay positive it will come.

                      scotts33 In the above video John McCreary said....."sure you are going to have some bad shots". Move on stay positive it will come.

                      Yes, golfers need short term memory loss. lol Don Trahan was fond of saying if you hit a bad shot, who cares? Do the next one right. This is probably my best attribute on the course.

                      I don't get that upset. Pretty even keeled. Never thrown a club in my life. Sure I'll piss and moan like everyone else on bad breaks, but I accept golf for what it is. Hard. But when things go right it's about as rewarding as it gets.

                      I've seen lesser skilled golfers get really mad and lose it on the course. I feel like telling them what Arnold Palmer told a golfer once when he was acting up. Paraphrasing, Arnold told him; 'your game isn't good enough to get mad at'. lol

                          Wish it was earlier in the season to try MLDT but I've put the clubs away for the winter. I've been hitting it so poorly I started avoiding playing a game that's no fun any more, no satisfaction at all because it isn't a game it's torture. Nothing mental (no swing thoughts or methods) or physical (nothing affecting flexibility or mobility) has changed but I've gone from consistent high 80's player (best of 78 last year) to hitting just a handful of solid shots per 9 holes that are satisfying.

                          Last time out I didn't hit 1 acceptable shot, not 1, over 5 holes so I walked off. The frustration and humiliation were overwhelming, absolutely no fun when everyone is waiting for you to hit your 3rd shot as they walk to their tee shot . You can't play "GOLF" until you can successfully play "HIT GOLF BALL", if I was good at diving into a pool then I spent 5 holes doing cherry bellies.

                          I'll take a look at MLDT over the winter but for now I'm done. If we are supposed to rely on muscle memory to be consistent and play well then I'm praying for muscle amnesia over the winter.