johnnydoom

I believe your anecdotal stories. Just as there are women in this country where their religion says they should be subservient to their husbands. But we should never condone imprisoning women for activism, domestic violence or the killing of women like what goes on in Saudi Arabia because of some extreme religious beliefs.

      Sneakylong But we live in the U.S. Should we make every other country in the world conform to our customs and beliefs? Should we ban all business relationships with any country whose laws don't conform with your belief in what is right or, perhaps should the people that actually live in those countries have some say in it?

          johnnydoom But we live in the U.S. Should we make every other country in the world conform to our customs and beliefs?

          When it comes to human rights, yes we should always advocate for expanding human rights. And with the Saudi's record especially in regards to women's human rights we should do it with a megaphone.

          And as the Saudi woman quoted in the article the LPGA women should stand with the Saudi women on human rights.

              Sneakylong When it comes to human rights, yes we should always advocate for expanding human rights. And with the Saudi's record especially in regards to women's human rights we should do it with a megaphone.

              Is this not the same as when you told me not to tell you how to think?

              It, the things that go on in any other country, really is none of our business. They have their own beliefs. They have their own historical foundations, of law, religion, etc..
              Let's not be telling others how to think, if we are saying such even amongst our own selves. In our own country. They already see, already know, how we live, and they never try to impose their beliefs upon us. Hell, they even let their citizens come here to play golf. 🤔

                  Par4QC They already see, already know, how we live, and they never try to impose their beliefs upon us.

                  Rex, for god's sake, step back and drop the drugs. 😉 They don't stop at killing their own citizens for being alive,
                  they spread their 'good will' abroad also.

                      Eguller Like I said, that is their tradition/heritage/history...'customs', or whatever you want to call it. It is perhaps the oldest country on Earth, so the things they do today, go wayyyy back. Not condoning, but it is not my place to tell them they are wrong. In their eyes/minds, our way is also wrong. (sometimes I do agree)

                      In the U.S., a petty thief will get a slap on the hands, and sent home. In their country, a petty thief will lose a hand, then be sent home. Is either wrong? Are both?

                      We have 'customs' we live with/by. Other countries have theirs. Which are correct, and by whose sayso?

                          Eguller they spread their 'good will' abroad also.

                          Quit pissin' people off!! Sr. Bush had a big mouth & small balls....we paid dearly for it years later. Still are, in fact.

                              Par4QC Quit pissin' people off!!

                              🤣🤣🤣 I'll try, but it won't be easy. Some believe there are universal human absolutes, some don't.

                                  Eguller I'll try, but it won't be easy.

                                  Of course, wasn't exactly referring to you.😄
                                  Meaning , 'all peoples'. And we seem to be the best at doing such, as bad as that may read.

                                    Sneakylong When it comes to human rights, yes we should always advocate for expanding human rights.

                                    Except when you are on your knees begging them to pump more oil so that the US can send more of our money to them.

                                      Par4QC It, the things that go on in any other country, really is none of our business. They have their own beliefs. They have their own historical foundations, of law, religion, etc..
                                      Let's not be telling others how to think, if we are saying such even amongst our own selves. In our own country. They already see, already know, how we live, and they never try to impose their beliefs upon us. Hell, they even let their citizens come here to play golf.

                                      Don't even know where to begin. 🙄 Sooooooooooooo, I won't. lol

                                        Par4QC We have 'customs' we live with/by. Other countries have theirs. Which are correct, and by whose sayso?

                                        Ok, can't let this go. Any 'custom' that allows women to be killed by their fathers or husbands with impunity would be considered 'not correct'. I think we can start there. lol

                                            Sneakylong Any 'custom' that allows women to be killed by their fathers or husbands with impunity would be considered 'not correct'.

                                            I....did not say it was correct. Not from our viewpoints/standards/customs/etc.. It is correct from/in theirs.
                                            China once said 1.2 babies per couple. And what happened to those that went beyond? What happened to the 'excess' babies????? Did you do anything about that?
                                            Many countries do 'something', that is not 'correct' in the eyes of other countries. Not going to change, unless those in the respective countries wish so, and actually do something to make the changes. WE... are never going to change another country's customs just by saying it is not correct in our country.

                                            It's not just the LIV golfers you need to address; many from the U.S. travel weekly to these countries for...yes....vacations. Because...???

                                                The thing is, without actually knowing how many wives and daughters are killed, we can never be sure that their system of Islamic law and their religious traditions doesn't actually protect their women more than our system does for ours. Maybe they are killing women by the thousands and just replacing them with mail order brides, I don't know. Or maybe they are killing women at a lower rate than we are even though their law allows it under certain circumstances. Again, I don't know. Ask any of the 1,181 U.S. women that were killed in 2005 domestic violence in U.S. if they are happy they lived in the U.S. where there are laws to protect them.

                                                Par4QC Not going to change, unless those in the respective countries wish so, and actually do something to make the changes. WE... are never going to change another country's customs just by saying it is not correct in our country.

                                                And change usually doesn't happen unless there's pressure to do so. Not only from within, but from outside. Free democratic countries should always speak out against the human rights abuses of autocracies / authoritarianism.

                                                Whatever the degree of violations from genocide on down our position should always be on the 'correct' or moral side. Many Saudi women are trying to make change. All they're asking is the LPGA players stand with them in their fight.