IMO....

Par4QC · 2021-04-19T15:44:09+00:00

The biggest problem in the U.S. today is..... $1,400 stimulus checks, $3,600 child tax credit and $300 unemployment check bonuses til Sep.. Prove me wrong...

DC300

Par4QC Respectfully, you would have to be a dummy to take an $18/hr job right now. Unemployment in most states is ~$400/week. At one point you were being give an extra $600 (untaxed) to stay home, so you are getting $25/hr to stay home vs working 40hrs to get $18/hr at full tax rate. Now it’s down to a $300 bonus, but that’s still $700 a week or $17.50 an hour to not work and half of that is still untaxed, so you still LOSE money to work. Why would anyone give up 40 hours a week to lose pay? This has gone on for almost an entire year now. So what happens when people get the bonus taken away after being used to all that extra?

Homes/rents won’t be paid for.

Kids will go hungry.

People still won’t want to work for less than what they were getting so small businesses will either have to pay it or have holes.

The welfare crowd will simply pop out more kids and milk the system for more.

It’s a beautiful system to destroy the world, if you are into that sort of thing. I studied a lot of economics, the long term ramifications are never looked at with all these "emergency" measures, but what they will really do is create a financial crisis. Look just 3 years down the road when all the stuff I stayed above takes place as a backlash response to having less money than they want. The tax rate will have to increase not only to pay for the emergency measures, but worse, to take care of the people on the system. More small businesses will be gone, which employ the majority of Americans, so unemployment will be up, large corporations will be the only employers, they will follow the game and raise wages, cut benefits so we are dependent on the Government for healthcare and step 2 towards a full blown Commie system is in place. Now while all of this is happening, crime rates will continue to rise, as will gun deaths and the disarmament of the law abiding population will happen. The police AND military are already being pushed to disarm ((National guard disarmed in DC to "“prevent violence"), and apparently saving 2 lives from a stabbing means "“your next" to be charged with murder of a black person. The mob rule has started, without a major revolution, we may well be completely screwed. The sad truth is the "“right" won’t do anything until it’s too late because the lives they live are too comfortable to risk it getting messed up by pushing back.

Toulon

DC300

The crash is coming. Will make the warning of what was going to happen in 2008 actually happen, and then some.

Then...The Great Reset begins... Of course, it's only a conspiracy theory. 😂 Below is an actual compilation of statements made on video. You be the judge. It's less than 2 minutes. Thanks, WEF.

Par4QC

DC300 Respectfully, you would have to be a dummy to take an $18/hr job right now. Unemployment in most states is ~$400/week. At one point you were being give an extra $600 (untaxed) to stay home, so you are getting $25/hr to stay home vs working 40hrs to get $18/hr at full tax rate. Now it’s down to a $300 bonus, but that’s still $700 a week or $17.50 an hour to not work and half of that is still untaxed, so you still LOSE money to work. Why would anyone give up 40 hours a week to lose pay? This has gone on for almost an entire year now. So what happens when people get the bonus taken away after being used to all that extra?

When the money runs out, those jobs will not even be there for them to bitch about being "low pay". If you want long term income, the likes you are getting for free, you need to grab that op right now! You'll lose very little if you work the system of deductions. Got 4 kids?....claim the 6 deductions weekly instead of waiting for it to come back in the Spring. Those deductions are taken off the top. Then, sign up for the company program that let's you pay your bills(can't recall the exact name). That also comes off the top(no tax). You pay pennies on the dollar for taxes at that point.

Keep in mind also, that $18/hr. is (in this area) a shit load more than the unemployed were making before. Some quit working in order to get a raise.

I've kinda 'been around', in my life. I've been that person milking the UC system, back in '75-'76, bringing in $230/wk. UC + $100/wk. Union supplemental pay(12 mo.). The UC lasted for 78 weeks, and when I moved to an area where wages were the minimum wage, our rent dropped by almost 2/3, etc.. (I also got up to 241# because of it, but that's another story). I was lucky enough to be on recall to a very high paying job, and got that recall. That is not happening today. These are not Union jobs out there, and the people milking the layoffs/UC, will not be recalled anywhere. And they are not going to get any money past early Sept..
But, unemployment figures will look great for a lot of states, and the nation, after Sept.. Welfare rolls, not so much.

sdandrea1

DC300 Why would anyone give up 40 hours a week to lose pay?

To have a job where they could contribute to their employer, society, and maybe start a career with growth? To not sit at home on their ass, sucking off the taxpayer's tit? I dunno.....just a thought. 😉

DC300

Toulon of course it’s a conspiracy theory... the sad truth is people are too dumb to realize there is still a ruling class and the rest of us are just pawns. The problem is there are too many pawns willing to fight at the moment. Many of the same figure heads talk about population control and the country who actively practices it, released the virus, shocking. The virus did its job, took out the old, and their knowledge of history with them. The education system is being "fixed" to eliminate the teachings of history, so it won’t be an issue anymore.

They got rid of Trump and his outlandish talk of people working for a living and deserving freedoms the country was founded on and paint all those notions as racist, white privilege. Even going so far as to impeach him AGAIN, knowing full well he would be out of office and it wasn’t Constitutionally justifiable, but they wanted to block him from running again, because he could unwind their plans again.

The ground work to follow through on a global Communist Manifesto is in place. The citizens are more reliant on the Government for every aspect of their life than ever before, there is a common fear and enemy with no actual way to eliminate it (Covid) and in the US they have taken it a step further to target the average white male, vilifying them for wanting to make money, take care of their family and be left alone, just like the Jews of Germany. The borders are open and the illegals are allowed to vote, furthering the goal of over riding the working class and pushing us into complete reliance on the Government to "fix" the problems they intentionally create. It’s essentially the start of the Hunger Games and the dumb asses of the modern education system just believe it’s all a free lunch.

So yep, I’m a conspiracy theorist for being able to read and comprehend history and the message from the media, controlled by the Government, says I’m the bad guy. Hopefully, there are enough of us that would rather be dead than Red when it comes to it.

KCee

Toulon One of my pet peeves in life is ANYONE who is a dyed in the wool... "fill in the blank". Honestly, those people scare me as much as they annoy me.

Me too. I've voted for Democrats and Republicans and try to look at the candidates, but many will say "vote the party, not the candidate". I suppose that is much simpler, but I can't bring myself to move that far Left or Right.

DC300

KCee I feel at this point, no matter who I’m voting for, I’m voting party lines, which is exactly what Washington warned would happen. I can’t, in good conscience vote for a Democrat, because they will add to their numbers on key votes. The party itself has spun radically far left and the principals need to be stopped, not aided. Also, in good conscience, I can’t vote for many of the Republicans either, because they are a bunch of 2 faced bitches with no backbones to stand for their promises. I would LOVE a legitimate 3rd party candidate to stand a chance, but voting for one in this day in age is a wasted ballot.

rsvman2

shokosugi I'm going to try to answer your questions. Bear in mind that I am typing on my cell phone, so there may be errors.
1) These vaccines differ from smallpox and polio vaccines in their construction. Smallpox vaccine was a weaker but similar virus that caused localized infection producing criss protection. There were two polio vaccines, one was a live, attenuated virus and the ther was a killed virus. The two main vaccines we are using right now for Covid are mRNA vaccines. Immunity produced by different types of vaccines may differ a little bit, but the end result is the same. Your question implies that you believe that the Covid vaccines do not protect against infection or spread in the same way, but all indications are that they actually do. Breakthrough symptomatic infection occurs with every vaccine ever made. We currently have no evidence to suggest that vaccinated people have spread the infection at all.
2) As far as I can tell, the Covid vaccines do not differ at all in the way they protect recipients and prevent transmission compared with flu vaccination except that they are more effective. This question also has an undertone that suggests that you believe the Covid vaccines will not keep vaccinees from spreading the disease to others. Again, we don't have evidence of secondary spread and I believe they actually do protect in precisely the same way. Messenging has been sent out saying that we can't prove a vaccinated person couldn't spread the disease.... this has been done outmof an abundance of caution and is not meant to imply that we think it will spread in this way.
3) efficacy of flu vaccination depends on a number of things, not least of which is how well the vaccine strain matches the circulating strain. In some years efficacy is as high as about 70% or higher, and in other years it is around 30%. There are also as many as four co-circulating strains every season, and efficacy across the four strains is generally not constant. In some years, for example, the vaccine could be 70% effective against the H1N1 strain but be 20% against one of the circulating B strains. The covid vaccines are much better than this, even against the currently identified variants.
4) It is unlikely we could ever get herd immunity for the flu because of its extraordinarily rapid spread, short incubation period, and rapid mutation rate, not to mention the possibility of production of wholly new viruses via coinfection in a mixing animal, which can happen because its genome is segmented. Coronaviruses do not have a segmented genome. The mlst important thing in containing flu and making flu epidemics better is protection of children, who largely drive the flu epidemic every year.
5) Mitigation efforts largely serve to slow down mutation, rather than drive it. That's because mutation is essentially a math problem. There is a fairly predictable rate of spontaneous mutation with genome replicaition. Therefore, the more rounds of replication occur, the more mutations will arise. Many of them will not result in any kind of advantage for the virus; these will not prevail and will die out. Some mutations are silent, which means that although the genome changes, the amino acid sequence of the virus does not. Those result in no change whatsoever.
If everybody got vaccinated, it is certainly possible that this could favor the survival of a particular mutant. The same thing could happen if everybody became infected, so it is not a feature of vaccination.
If the entire US population had been vaccinated prior to the appearance of the virus on our continent, mutations would be unable to arise and the pandemic would not have occurred at all (this is just a thought experiment, obviously). Successful mutation leading to a successful variant requires ongoing replication and, ideally for the virus, lots of it. Therefore, mitigation efforts such as distancing and masking would be expected to slow mutation rather than to speed it up.
6) The mutation rate has been estimated to be from 0.8% to perhaps 4.2% per 3200 patients, based on real world entire genome sequencing. America's rate is about half that of most other countries in the world. About a sixth of these mutations are nonsense mutations (result in petering out of the virus) and about 3% are silent (resulting in absolutely no change in the virus at all). Prospective mathematical modelling predicts about a 3.8% risk of any mutation in the 400th person infected sequentially.
The ability to stay ahead of or abreast of mutations using mRNA vaccines is far superior to what we have been able to do with flu, because it takes about 4-6 months to make a new flu vaccine but we could conceivably have a variant Covid vaccine within a few short weeks.

I hope this was helpful, even though it was a threadjack.

I'm not getting paid enough for this...........

shokosugi

rsvman2

Thank you sir, your time is appreciated! Come to the other thread to discuss further. I'm sure I'll have more questions after I read your post thoroughly.

Toulon

rsvman2 In some years efficacy is as high as about 70% or higher, and in other years it is around 30%

CDC data from last 15 years showing highest efficacy at 60% and lowest 10%. Only 5 years out of 15 was efficacy 50%, or higher.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/past-seasons-estimates.html

and from CDC.gov common questions:

The below didn't happen with small pox or polio meaning annual shots. Annual shots puts this into the same realm as the flu in that regard. These vaccines are on a countdown clock unlike polio and smallpox.

From CNBC:

Par4QC

rsvman2 I am so mad about this threadjack, I am going to copy/paste this so possibly 100's of others may read it!!

(I'm not telling them it was a threadjack though. 😲)

KCee

rsvman2 Doesn't this only hold true if the earth is round? 😜

rsvman2

Toulon I have a much longer memory of flu vaccination than 15 years. I'm an old guy. Plus the numbers were estimates from memory, not stats. I typed up the whole post out of my head, not by googling. The only thing I looked up in order to be more specific was the genome sequencing.

Toulon

Par4QC

What month do you usually take your annual polio or small pox shot? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Most dangerous advisement, in general, is that you can't transmit the virus once fully jabbed. You can.

Par4QC

Toulon Most dangerous advisement, in general, is that you can't transmit the virus once fully jabbed. You can

Get off my lawn!

Take all speculations elsewhere. I only want to see trial stats from where they exposed/injected the whole vaccinated(all 3 types to be included, btw) group(30K-40K) to the actual virus, then went out and had that whole group intermingle with the unvaccinated. That would prove 2 things, would it not? Or maybe, 3.

Again, it's not a guessing game, it's not to be 'speculated' about........FACTS, are only counted here. Real numbers, taken from real time.

Toulon

Par4QC

Tell the CDC to get off your lawn. 😂 Oh, and I didn't catch what month it was you take your annual polio and small pox shot. 😉

Sadly, this is not a question of REAL numbers, rather what numbers are real to YOU.

BTW, the virus is now a fast mutater. Used to be slow but something happened over the last several months that has sped up the mutation process? Any guesses as to what that is?

shokosugi

Par4QC Take all speculations elsewhere. I only want to see trial stats from where they exposed/injected the whole vaccinated(all 3 types to be included, btw) group(30K-40K) to the actual virus, then went out and had that whole group intermingle with the unvaccinated. That would prove 2 things, would it not? Or maybe, 3.

Again, it's not a guessing game, it's not to be 'speculated' about........FACTS, are only counted here. Real numbers, taken from real time.

Par4QC, you are asking for something that doesn't exist and will likely never exist so we have to rely on what we are seeing in the world now and extrapolate from this. We can't be ignorant to something that might be happening just because we can't measure it. It's like the tree falling in the forest analogy- just because you can't hear it, doesn't mean it didn't make a sound

Par4QC

Toulon Sadly, this is not a question of REAL numbers, rather what numbers are real to YOU.

You never posted any fact numbers for me to see, therefore, I've seen none of the type I need to see.

Toulon

Par4QC

Explain this one to me. Warning: This is going to be hard.

What happened within 7 days of vaccination in the vaccine arm and placebo arm of the Pfizer trial? The very thing you told me I was crazy for saying...that vaccination is causing cases to spike. That is EXACTLY what it did in the trials. What number is larger 409 or 287? And, oh, there's those pesky 3410 suspected cases of symptomatic COVID that just got flushed down the toilet with the 409 cases within 7 days of vaccination.

Remind me, again, how many trial participants did the trial hone in on to come up with its spurious 95% efficacy? 200! Yup. 200! Ignore 3410 people. Ignore the 409 testing positive after 7 days, while 287 in control arm did. None of it matters because...jabs can only do a body good, even when data shows otherwise. It's the spin that persuades that jabs do a body good, not the data.

Please, notice when it comes to what they wanted flushed, it was "suspected". When it came to what they actually wanted to use...CONFIRMED. The thing that is SUSPECT is flushing data that didn't flatter the jab.

From FDA.gov regarding Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA jab: PAGE 41

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

Hey, though, if I liked spin, I would be SUPER EXCITED that only 200 people got COVID out of 43,448 particpants. Man, I wish actual case numbers reflected that kind of ratio. How reassuring that only 200 people out of 43,448 got COVID in total regardless of jabbed or unjabbed. That's a miracle. GREAT NEWS! Only .0046 got COVID in that trial.

If we extrapolate the ratio from the trial that would mean the US should only have 1.6 million cases of the virus based on 330 million people and ZERO deaths! Hooray! I think you see where this is headed. Best to pretend and not look at actual data. Oh, but this could be because this trial didn't want to know a thing about ASYMPTOMATIC infection and wanting nothing to do with the idea of transmission. It had BILLIONS to get from the EUA it was seeking.

Par4QC

Toulon What happened within 7 days of vaccination in the vaccine arm and placebo arm of the Pfizer trial?

This is the only sentence I am going to read!!

I've told your hard head many times prior, once a vaccine or any other medications get into the real world/real use, trial data is totally meaningless; that fact, it cannot be disputed.

I bought a new driver that was stated as hitting the ball 225 yds., at a SS of 90. I hit it several times, at 90, and cannot get a ball past 210. I know of several others that bought the same driver, using the same SS, and we all concur.....it's crap....it does not work as they stated!! sonsabiches, I did see 2 fuckers hit their balls over 230 using that same driver, and they swing slower than us.

Toulon

Par4QC

I know, Rex. You don't want ANY data but filtered and spun data that is reassuring to you.

Play this on loop. It'll lower the anxiety even though it's totally false and CDC remarkably admitted their mistake. She was wrong x2. The real world data doesn't show this and the trials NEVER did, but spin is in.

We're all different. I like the truth, as ugly as it is.

Oh, and never forget context of her incredibly bizarre and wrong statements. Came 24 hours after having a breakdown in front of the camera about how scared she was of what was coming. Turns out, she had nothing to worry about... she couldn't get sick and couldn't spread the virus. From breaking down one day to flat out lying the next to try and balance her fearful warning to Americans the day before. She was told to go out and sell some vaccine after being scolded over scaring people half to death. What a story.

Walterjn

Par4QC I've told your hard head many times prior, once a vaccine or any other medications get into the real world/real use, trial data is totally meaningless; that fact, it cannot be disputed.

Unfortunately, we are the TRIAL DATA. The FDA Emergency Use Authorization gives the manufacturers the ability to skip any/all animal testing and go straight to human testing.

wishbone

rsvman2 Thank you for taking the time, much appreciated by many of us

Par4QC

Toulon You don't want ANY data but filtered and spun data that is reassuring to you.

John, I do not care if 3M people took the vaccine in a TRIAL, and they all died!! I don't care that there "may have been" sicknesses in trial groups while trials were going on. The fact is, the vaccine is in full gear usage, and you cannot dispute the fact it works....as it was stated it would work. You grasp for straws, to 'try' to prove your own fears of taking it. YOU are the only one here with any fear, of anything; it has been shown. We see it. All of us reading anything you write! In the future, yo umay well be the 'leper', people avoid....as they are doing now.

Trail data is just that. "Trial data." It's what you are seeing all around you that is the real, true, facts/data of how the vaccine works, and will work.

Anyone not taking the vaccines are nothing more than useless, selfish, human beings. They are the most ignorant type of human form there could possibly be. Not just my opinion, but 100's of 1000's of opinions!!!

Now, remove yourself from this thread so I do not have to ask it be closed.

Toulon

rsvman2

Much respect for taking the time. I still want your thoughts on recombination!!!

I have no doubt you did on flu stats. I recall you posting the same back in the 2018 flu shot debate. Great times. 😂
The virus is now mutating much faster than it did in the beginning. The positive selection pressure placed on the virus, presumably by jabs, is producing MORE not LESS variants and possible recombinants.

Science is having a tough time explaining India and why variants have exploded over the last several months all over the world. To me, it's crystal clear. The jabs are spawning this phenomenon because of their lack of true efficacy.

Personally, the biggest concern is the notion fully vaccinated means I can't infect others when it comes to messaging for those fully vaccinated.

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