colej And the Warbird does fly. I had always considered that ball a softer ball. Then one day I got paired with some guy that was using it. Summabich was hitting everything over 300. Changed my mind, found out they are 75 compression, went out and bought some and used them for years, exclusively, until the Gamer came out. Now I do use both, depending which is cheaper. Warbird has gotten up there a couple $$, and they cut the box down from 15 to 12 again. I got plenty of Gamers still though. Warbird 2.0 was the great one.