Rickochet I think that's the trade off with firmer multilayer balls for slower swingers is you might not see that drop and stop on the shorter irons and partials. ...I notice the most.on partials. Bridgestone B X, ProV1x, KSig (the 4 pc.), all seem to do a bit better. I really like the Srixon Q Star Tour for a compromise ball, super long off the tee and still performs good into the green.....on par with the zStar and better than the XV. Could play that ball all year long. Just firm enough for my taste.