sdandrea1 Heck Yeah! PEDs work! That is why they are outlawed in pro sports.

Last Tee Pharmalogical research team in China has seen great promise in PEDs to enhance the performance of Senior golfers. At our top secret testing facility in in Xinjiang province, we have several test subjects with smash factors over 1.50, improved continence, and enhanced erectile performance.

    9 days later

    Not a build, but a deconstruct. Pulled the Zing heads (which are going back to @sdandrea1 in what amounted to a $15 1 year rental). Used Steve’s recommended BKF scrub to remove any hosel discoloration.

    Have the shafts ready and waiting for my 2016 Gs that are coming this weekend. I’ll have to pull them too. Once re-shafted, these will go back to Ping for L/L as I’m moving them from black to green dot. I’m considering weakening them a degree or two as well but they’ve already got plenty of bounce.

    Reshafted a Mavrik max that had a Project x evenflow green 55 6.0 in it with a UST gold 55 S; Looks like broken Callaway drivers are in season at the moment.

    I build shit everyday just to try…. Then unscrew it.
    Today was my final iron shaft test. I went old school Project x 5.5. Same as everything else🙄.

    Hit the Stealth Plus driver head on the Ventus Red Velocore. Good shaft but the carbon face on the driver gives a smooth feedback no matter what. Also hit my GD DI6 that I extended an inch using toilet hardware. Felt better and worked better than the Velocore.

    End of the day… I have 3 shafts for the Stealth Plus that all go the same and feel the same…
    DI6
    Motore F3
    LA Golf DJ

      Replaced the TM adapter on my V2 Tour Flight shaft. It's not dead yet.

      7 days later

      Par4QC I've used graphite in irons a lot the past 30 years. It just depends on what the shaft profile is like. I used to have some that were 110g, and they are still the best I've ever used. But, that comparison is made from age 50 to now, even though I've never been that long with irons; 6i was my 'go to' perfect 150. Now, no iron goes that far. 😅
      The only set of graphite I have now are the newer Recoil Dart 75. Very nice, and much better than the older Recoil. I am playing steel currently though.
      Admittedly, I've only used graphite iron shafts for the looks, mainly. No wrist, elbow, shoulder troubles.

      So Rex, let me pick what’s left of you brain since you build sets of irons every day amd a half.

      I know it’s a month after I talked about the MMT 105s. I hit it outside alongside a few steel shafts . The MMT looked like a winner in the air. When I went back to Trackman though, it spun 1000 rpm’s more than the others and I lost 7 yards of carry.

      I like the feel of a slightly heavier shaft amd I don’t lose any ball speed. Trackman showed me that. The project x 5.5 at 115 grams was good too. The MMT 105 also comes in TX at 113 grams.

      My question for you is how would a double softstep on the TX be? The shafts do play stiff which is why I’m thinking double. I just like the weight.

      And there is a lot of talk about the shafts being “tip heavy”, which makes them swingweight high. Maybe that’s why they felt flimsy to me… too much head feel. The swingweight issue I could solve with going 1/4” shorter and the 3 grips under the grip.

          Typhoon When I went back to Trackman though, it spun 1000 rpm’s more than the others and I lost 7 yards of carry.

          This is the reason you should not fit anyone that is a really good player into graphite, unless they are getting the correct numbers. Absolutely no gain, no purpose, unless they would be like me and just want 'the looks'. I've never found any graphite to 'flex' for me as one would think, until I go to A flex; thus they feel 'hard' to me as most steel does. Even then, I sometimes add head weight to get the 'feel' and flex I want. KBS Tour 90 shafts & those Nippon shafts are steel shafts I've found that actually feel softer than any graphite.

          I don't know much about fitting, except for myself. I know what I want to 'feel', and numbers be damned; they mean nothing to my swing. I'm not going to lose a lot of distance nor am I going to gain.

          People talk about having physical problems and want graphite. I don't see anything in using them that is going to help. Like you found, the tips of graphite can be heavy and that will lead to the same feel as steel, imo. There are many products that can be used with steel to take away the 'sting' as some call it. You can still get vibrations with graphite as you get from steel. When I pulled the shafts from a couple of the Apex heads(steel) they had rubber inserts in them much like a weight; same shape, same lengths. TM irons have similar I've found. I've not looked around the internet to see if they are available to the public, which they should be.

          So, given same weight, I'd always choose steel over graphite. I'm back to using steel mainly now myself. Nothing heavy though, 90-105. And they feel soft sometimes.

          The thing with soft or hard stepping....don't you change flex point at some point, raise/lower? Which may change ball flight, and spin rates? I don't know, never studied that. Maybe Scott can weigh in.

              Par4QC The thing with soft or hard stepping....don't you change flex point at some point, raise/lower? Which may change ball flight, and spin rates? I don't know, never studied that. Maybe Scott can weigh in.

              Yea you do, especially with a double step. I thought you might have experience with it since you go through a lot of iron builds for yourself. I have no hands on experience.

              Project x 5.5 old school but great numbers and very stable. It would be my steel choice. Only thing that scares me are the horror stories of joint pain. Prosoft inserts would be going in those.

                  Typhoon Only thing that scares me are the horror stories of joint pain. Prosoft inserts would be going in those.

                  I've been lucky, I guess. I don't have those problems, yet anyway. From all the work/type of work I used to do, you'd think my wrists/elbows/shoulders would be shot to shit.
                  But, imo, it's not what the shaft is made of causing those problems for people, it's the weight. You can change from steel to graphite, but if it's the same weight, it's still 'pulling' on all joints throughout the swing. And I think that is what causes the pain, more so than hitting the ball. Ferchrissakes, the ball is rubber! Probably only a handful here, like you, that would be hitting the ground after the ball.
                  Then again, most of us are probably hitting the ground before the ball, and much more often.🤔 We deserve any pain that comes from that.😅

                      Par4QC This is the reason you should not fit anyone that is a really good player into graphite, unless they are getting the correct numbers.

                      I’m confused by this. Isn’t that what fittings are all about….getting the right numbers for the customer? 😊 I chose graphite for the LogicalOne irons because of the benefits of graphite. The ability to specifically tune the overall profile of a graphite shaft versus steel is much greater, from a manufacturing perspective. I’ve fortunately had the pleasure of working with several professional golfers and low (and mid) handicap golfers who have experienced better numbers because of graphite.

                      Just my experience/thoughts, to provide some details supporting the opposite direction of Rex’s comment. 😊