A follow-up on the "non-traditional swing" thread

rsvman · 2018-10-16T14:27:35+00:00

I tried to find it and Torpedo it, but I couldn't, so I started this just for a quick F/U comment. I posted this thing called "Triangulaid" on that thread....

kelco9

So, are you guys letting that leading arm collapse in the backswing as the people in the Triangulaid videos are doing? As I say, I think that is the move that hurt my elbow.

scotts33

kelco9 I don't worry about keeping my left arm/elbow straight which IMO leads to tension. One of the major points of PIG and Triangulaid is less tension.

Martee

kelco9 I am not following Triangulaid but I have been doing my understanding of the Easiest Swing in Golf. Definitely not stiff or eve straight left arm. Somewhere about 22.5 to 45 is my elbow bend. This seems to track with instructors who teach this method.

I have tried the full bend, call it 90* and though at times I have had great results, I am way to inconsistent, also I found I need to pause, really pause at the top for this to work for me.

I amazed at how much elbow bend I had when first doing this, thought I had none when I had relaxed/loose arms but the video said otherwise.

I actually tried forcing the bending and that didn't work at all. I just let it happend naturally. Did notice tempo for me plays a role in how much bend I have.

StphaneBachoz

kelco9 this is an extremist example about what you could do, if you do not worry about the "style" but just SWINGING THE WEIGHT OF THE CLUB !

kelco9

scotts33 Thanks, Scott, but I think there is a big difference between relaxing the left arm (i.e., not keeping it rigid), which I believe in, and having it collapse down around the neck as is shown in the Triangulaid videos (and, to a lesser degree, the collapse that Wilson teaches).

scotts33

kelco9 Thanks, Scott, but I think there is a big difference between relaxing the left arm (i.e., not keeping it rigid), which I believe in, and having it collapse down around the neck as is shown in the Triangulaid videos (and, to a lesser degree, the collapse that Wilson teaches).

Semantics. There are various positions of elbow flexion. I am not collapsed...of course one can take various positions and over do them. This is why PIG espouses find your OWN swing and has less structure.

Example Bobby Jones lifted left heel and slightly bent left elbow. Jones was very PIG-like.

rsvman

I don't see a need for collapse of the elbow. I keep mine left arm relatively straight but not fixed/tight.

Martee

Spent some time at the range on the Walk in Drill. Interesting results, actually I am not near as uncoordinated as I thought I was.

At first I tried eyeballing and walk into the ball. Didn't Work We'll At all.
Next I started out at the ball, took 3 steps back and walked into the ball/shot. Good contact, okay distance.

Not sure if this the same for others but my walking pace into the ball as well my tension definitely effective my results. Need to experiment with some more, might be tool I can use to build consistency off eneven lies.

Or it could just be fluke, though I think I was doing it right.

StphaneBachoz

Hi everybody, it is great to feel your passion for our favorite Game.

As a Coach, my work is to help players to grow new abilities/skills to PLAY Golf with less cognitive and physical tensions.
Also, to help them to become more efficient and to finally reach the "Graal", to become "Competent and Non-Conscious" like if you were getting down a stair case or walking.
So, I do not use any method which will stop every "learning process". Let's say I'm very keen to GIVE my students the TOOLS to LEARN... I like to tell them WHAT to do not HOW to do !

Bill's discovered that swinging and walking are using the same "kinematic sequence". It becomes easier for Golfers then to understand that we do not walk using our arms first ! Neither for swinging the club...
Once we understand and feel the process, then we personalize the concept respecting the "motor skill preferences" of the player and avoid any injuries issues, due to improper mouvement. We respect the "blue print" of our players.

Since 1995 I've been working with the Genius Bill Owens and spend my time researching on how to simplify and switch the "teaching method" for a positive and safe "learning process" and more important, how the "Human Brain" learns...
I'm very proud and honored to learn today from a few Top Coach, like Bill Owens, Mike Adams, Pia Nilsson and Lynn Marriot and more recently Michael Hebron. Thanks to him for sharing so many insights about the Nature of Learning !

So with the help of Nicholas Middleton, European Tour Putting Coach, we have created FlowMotion Golf in 2013.
The aim of FMG is to offer, to the vast majority of players, a complete educational tool from Putting to Full Swing and to help players to become efficient and more simple with their skill task.

We do change the way people is seeing and living the Game. Mindset before skill set !

I can't wait to share all these in English videos.

Stay tuned and enjoy life, PLAY Golf !😍

StphaneBachoz

kelco9 Hi everybody, it is great to feel your passion for our favorite Game.

We do change the way people is seeing and living the Game. Mindset before skill set !

I can't wait to share all these in English videos.

Stay tuned and enjoy life, PLAY Golf !

scotts33

Lil update on the Triangulaid/FlowMotion swing concept from the YT funny guy. Robin Matthews-Williams

Robin is apologetic to a point but this is where he gets most of his swing opinions.

Spuzz

scotts33
I was almost as bored with this video as the dog.

scotts33

Spuzz scotts33
I was almost as bored with this video as the dog.

Yes we are used to seeing Robin go off which is funny for some and not for others. I tend to like the guy and he is not pushing something like all the others. Robin's heart is in the right place which I am not sure you can say for many others in the golf industry.

Spuzz

scotts33
I agree.
I liked the other two vids.
This one lacked "flavour" is all
🙂

garyt1957

So did the real inventors of that swing get to him for ripping off their swing? Sounds like it to me.

scotts33

garyt1957 So did the real inventors of that swing get to him for ripping off their swing? Sounds like it to me.

So who is the inventor Gary? Ernest Jones? Or before that?

garyt1957

scotts33 So who is the inventor Gary? Ernest Jones? Or before that?

I see your point, but it was obvious that kid was ripping off Triangulad, hence the mea culpa. Obviously there's nothing really new in golf after hundreds of years, but there's still some honor in showing respect to people whose ideas yours sprung from. While I enjoyed his videos, this kid ripped that idea off and tried to use it as his own.

azgreg

Thread necro alert!!!!

Question for all you Easiest Swing guys.

In the following video Philip mentions standing more upright. I asked him about his equipment and this was his response:

Me: Since you're standing a bit more upright have you adjusted your lie angles more upright?
Philip: Actually no the lie is the same but shafts are an inch longer too (I am 6’4” and used to use 1” longer now I use 2” longer)

Anybody else make this adjustment in the length based on this swing method?

scotts33

azgreg If you notice many that employ the Easiest Swing Brian Sparks method in general have some or a slight amount of early extension with an upright torso position. This allows longer playing length. I usually play TLT Series #7 when using an Easiest methodology vs. #6 on average. Most Easiest golfers also use graphite thru the set. Warning when using traditional swing weight on longer playing length you are gonna have some heavy "feeling" clubs, this is one reason most go to graphite. This can be controverted by using lighter club head weights.

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