Callaway Square to Square #7

Typhoon

I was wondering if anyone was going to jump on the LAB train. I was in Golf n Ski Warehouse today for a visit and saw this Callaway putter. Sets up similar to the LAB with the straight center shaft. Puts your hands in the same position as the LAB. And.. it’s $299!

I rolled 4 putts of 15 feet dead center. I was amazed. Looks good, very stable. With this out at $299, LAB should never sell another putter. The #7 design I think is their best and this looks fine.

Spuzz

Typhoon I was wondering if anyone was going to jump on the LAB train

I'm still rocking this Snake Eyes, so probably not.

Par4QC

Typhoon I'll have to get out and go see these.
I had a LAB blade, the Link 1, last summer. I will still swear, at this point, no putter is made better/works better.
And jmo....should be marketed as 'game improvement'. More so than any iron. If you need help with putting.

KCee

Typhoon I haven't seen or tried the Cally putter (probably Odyssey label?), but I have tried the original LAB and the new-ish PXG putter. I kind of hated the LAB (no sightline), but I really like the PXG even though I didn't want to. It did feel like it swung so easily. The LAB swung easily too, but I felt like I couldn't line it up and I kept scuffing it. The PXG swung like my gamer(s), but better.

Typhoon

Par4QC They are weird to line up because of the position of the shaft. But I just get the head lined up properly using my right hand , step in, make no other adjustments and just swing it. It swings just as easy as the LAB but not as big. You should check it out. I could see myself looking at one from CPO on Black Friday.

candukid

Wonder if TM has a version coming out? I love my Spider Tour but would try a new TM if it worked. Never got along with Odyssey putters for some reason. Will definitely check the Cally out next time I am at Golftown.

Cwing

candukid

For those that asked about Taylor Mades plans, absolutely yes, photos of the TM Spyder zero torque prototype were on the net earlier this week. PING has an offering already on tour as well. Bert has one, Evnroll has had one for a few seasons now and Axis1 has been around for a long while. About 6 months to a year ago, I believe Tom Kim (could be mistaken on the player) was testing out a Scotty prototype as well.

Nearly every company will market some version of low / no torque putters by years end.

Eguller

An hour ago I was at PGATSS and rolled the S2S Odyssey. LABs and the EVNROLL. All were very good with the E the winner for me. The Black Tour Milled Odyssey will still be in the bag ……for now. 😉

Par4QC

Eguller EVNROLL.

Who's making them now? The company went under a couple years ago.
And I kick myself for not buying the putter I tried, before pricing got out of hand. (+100 now)

EDIT: from 4/'23..........
News dropped late last week that Guerin Rife’s Evnroll Putters has been sold to the Korean high-tech firm CREATZ, the parent company of the Uneekor golf launch monitor company.

Eguller

Par4QC And I kick myself for not buying the putter I tried, before pricing got out of hand. (+100 now)

All pricing is out of hand. The Odyssey was the least expensive and was 2nd best for me. I saw one of Typhoons SIM2 Max used at $249. 😳

darpar

Par4QC
Been using an EVNROLL Armlock for about 3 years now,pricey but great technology!

Typhoon

Eguller yeah, I was in Golf n ski today and saw new SIM2 Max’s for over $300 brand new. And they had a lot. Place I was at had a great used selection and 15% off. Being “Live free or Die” New Hampshire there was no sales tax. I was close to grabbing a used g430 max LST 10 degree ( I just sold my 10k less than a half hour before so I had $400 on me😁). Then I remembered… the 10k I just sold was no better than the g400 max. And I have g400 LST coming next Thursday. Chances are that $100 g400 LST will be at least as good as the 430.

I never saw the lure of Evnroll putters. The LAB and s2s though have something. I haven’t heard if Taylormade is doing a Spider version. They would be foolish not to. It’s odd looking at address but I can’t knock the performance.

If I can dump 3-4 Ping putters I have I’ll grab a #7 CPO or if there is a spider by the end of the year

Par4QC

Eguller Yeah, about choked when I saw the Evnroll at $500 now.
I had tried their heel shafted....think it was the ERv1 w/gravity grip, or something like that(3years ago). Absolutely the best I've tried out.(heel shafted) Was only 249 then which I thought was ridiculous. 😉

Cwing

I disagree in regards to comment noting that the Sq 2 Sq should result in LAB never selling another putter.

LABs tech is better than the rest. It just is and it will show up the more you use it.

LABs tech is not just a toe up putter. The PXG Allen, the new odyssey, etc., have similar tech but it’s not the same. They are simply weighted to be toe up. Every OEM will have a toe up putter and will market it as low to no torque due to the tour success of LAB. In my view, everyone trying to copy LAB is validating LABs tech and success on tour.

I currently own a LAB Mezz (standard specs). I owned a Reno which was an early person of the 2.1. I also currently own the PXG Allen and an Odyssey Toe Up #7 from around 2014-15. The “Toe Up” design was not necessarily marketed as low or zero torque at that time and didn’t really take off as its backstyke design is an odd look. LAB actually has an older series of videos in which they tested other non LAB similar tech putters in the revealer and the Odyssey Toe Up #7 performed best of all the nine LAB putters.

That stated, the Sq 2 Sq is nothing more than a toe up putter which they now refer to as low to zero torque. It has a completely different look than the original toe up designs as they added a ton of loft and a design that requires a significant amount of forward press. It’s design really isn’t nothing like LAB.

That stated, despite having just ordered a new OZ1i, I very well may wind up with a square to square at some point. Although I 100% believe the LAB is better tech, I like variety so I will very likely own a square to square at some point once they hit Callaway pre owned.

Also of note, the new OZ1i is available in a non forward shaft lean design as it can be ordered with 0* of shaft lean or with 2* of shaft lean.

candukid

Cwing
I did try the Cally AI1 sq2sq at golftown. It had a very nice roll to it and the ball went where I thought I was aiming. Felt “natural”. The LAB putters were nice too but they only had some broomsticks.
Price for Cally was $400 CAN and the LABs were north of $600.

Typhoon

For me the Lab and the square 2 Square had the same feel and address set up. Results with the Lab were no better than the Odyssey… certainly not worth an extra $200. Once they hit the CPO store especially around Black Friday, they should fly outta there.

Cwing

Typhoon

I don’t necessarily disagree. I 100% think that the LAB tech is the best. That stated, I had an early version of the 2.1 (Reno) and distance control was an issue for me so it didn’t warrant the room it took up in the bag. I believe that’s improved with the current 2.1.

I later bought a Mezz. It’s not fitted to me resulting in a need to position my hands too high. As a result, it’s not my gamer and is listed on the BST.

My current gamer is an Odyssey Toe Up Big Seven. It’s a backstyke style putter. At one point LAB had videos showing that it did not out perform LAB offerings in the revealer but it did out perform all other low / no torque putters at that time. Although I’ve tried other putters, the TU #7 Odyssey has been my primary putter for several years now.

Not long after my purchase (new on Callaway pre owned), I played with my adult son and he used it that day. He ordered the same putter that evening and it’s been in his bag ever since.

Typhoon

Cwing Love the #7 design. Guy brought on his short slant neck one last night to indoor golf and I rolled everything on target.

KCee

Typhoon I have a Toulon and an Odyssey #7 short slants. They are awesome.....but I am still a streaky putter.

The only "automatic" putter I ever tried was a belly putter I built. I was lights out with that thing from 15 ft and in. Outside of that I couldn't get it to the hole on slow public greens. It's no wonder they were banned.