Hoping for some help an insight...

Martee · 2024-02-18T00:21:37+00:00

Any recommendations on materials (reading, video, etc) that are geared to a senior golfers who needs to rebuild a body/swing? Its for me, the past 18 month...

scotts33

DonM Yep it's fugly but if it works for said golfer oh well go with it. There are plenty of fugly swings on the golf course. 😁 I wouldn't say Bryson's swing is a thing of beauty. We all can't look like Sam Snead.

DonM

scotts33 If it comes down to me having to use that swing in order to play golf, I’ll do it. Same goes for the red tees. I’m convinced that playing golf helps you live longer.

Rickochet

DonM This might be the most body friendly swing there is. Yes, it’s ugly. But some people use it and they are playing golf.

That may be the best option for me. I will give that a try. I noticed that he was using a very strong grip with both thumb "v's" pointed to his right shoulder. I might put a bag over my head though.

DonM

Rickochet I might put a bag over my head though.

Hahaha!

When you think of all the swings you've seen on the course in your life, who's really going to notice?

DonM

@Rickochet
Plus, everybody is so wound up about their own game, they don't even notice what you're doing.

DonM

Today I was messing around in the garage with the Jack Kuykendall inspired swing. I just pictured "stillness" like what Jim Venetos teaches. Swing the club back/up with the elbows bending, then smack the ball. No attempting to turn. The body does turn some, of course. More so on the forward swing. At the bottom I swear it is as fast or faster than my pathetic swing. Gonna have to get to the range tomorrow and see what happens on real shots. This swing would take a lot of pressure off my arthritic right big toe, and spare my arthritic neck from some twisting.

Would it be good for a bad shoulder? Hard to tell. Maybe. @Rickochet

fatshot

DonM I just pictured "stillness" like what Jim Venetos teaches.

FWIW, "Stillness" is my only thought on my backswing. I try to imagine the left leg as the "pivot point" of my swing,
and imagine everything revolving around that. I don't think I did it very well on the back nine yesterday, LOL, b/c the old body was pretty stiff and sore by that time.

DonM

I made a video of my idea for this swing. There isn't a lot of shoulder turn. Not much of any turn. Mostly arms. It's not pretty but I've seen worse. The "divot" is in the right place and pointing the right direction.

VigilanteTrail

DonM There isn't a lot of shoulder turn. Not much of any turn. Mostly arms. It's not pretty but I've seen worse.

I see much of what my swing was prior to my most recent lesson this past Friday…not bad by any means and a motion that is probably fairly consistent…but is more than likely robbing you of speed and maybe some better “flushed” ball striking consistency. My pro has me working on slowly pushing that takeaway straight back more with shoulder plane turn only and then hinging towards the back end…it seems to help avoid that quick pulling of the left arm across your torso on the backswing…proper execution of this move will naturally just make you turn your shoulders more easily (which I honestly found surprising) and able to then just fire through the downswing with a more in to out to in path (i.e. arc) with a forward leaning shaft and with less effort …but for me it still just feels so damn weird after all the time of swinging a certain way & the muscle memory involved…but I am already seeing some good progress as awkward as it sometimes feels and I just need to stick with it to break some of my bad habits 👍

pellmell

Martee Great info on the golf grip.

https://m.youtube.com/@claws_effect/featured

DonM

VigilanteTrail Yeah, change is damn hard. I don’t use the swing shown in the video. It’s my attempt at doing what Jack Kuykendall teaches. It’s supposed to be good for people whose bodies can’t make a conventional swing.

I’m surprised that it seemed faster than I thought would. I want to try it on the range and see.

rsvman2

DonM To be honest, although it is clearly different, it doesn't look all that bad. I've seen a lot of uglier swings at the local muni.

VigilanteTrail

DonM I’m surprised that it seemed faster than I thought would.

It sure did seem that way 👍

DonM

fatshot
I am beginning to realize that I don't play or practice enough to be able to have a swing with a lot of moving parts that have to be timed up. I keep trying, but it seems like a losing battle.

fatshot

DonM I would think that would be an argument in favor of the Venetos swing. I've been using it 7-8 years, and IMO it's pretty much low maintenance......No weight shift to speak of, so not as many moving parts.
YMMV, of course.

scotts33

fatshot @fatshot how do you work on keeping your shoulders close thru impact? That was the one issue I have had with JV. Otherwise set up, keep still, no over thinking swing the club.

fatshot

scotts33. I've tried, but I don't think about the shoulders....what I do try to visualize is turning the breastbone or sternum back and through while keeping the butt of the club pointing right at it (the sternum). When that doesn't work right, I tend to pull shots, but when it IS working, I hit it pretty straight. Playing the ball a bit further back, towards the middle of the stance helps. For some reason trying to think about the shoulders has never worked for me.....

I notice JV plays from a very closed stance. Maybe that's how he keeps the shoulders 'closed.' But. when I have tried closed stances, I tend to come over the top eventually.

scotts33

fatshot #fatshot JMO but if you aren't emulating JV's set up then you aren't doing what JV teaches. Set up is everything in the JV swing. That's what intrigues me about it.

DonM

I tried the bent arms swing at the range. I hit the ball pretty well but the swing is way too steep to be practical. Talk about hard on the wrists. I probably could find a way to shallow it out some. For now I'll keep working on my regular swing.

fatshot

scotts33 I suppose you're right. I guess my swing is a "JV Hybrid," LOL.....

scotts33

fatshot I suppose you're right. I guess my swing is a "JV Hybrid," LOL.....

I believe it might be your perception of JV and to be honest if you watch Jim's students video's many of them don't have the closed shoulders thru impact either. That is the one factor I watch to see if that's followed. Jim's swings all exhibit closed shoulders thru impact.

Also if you are happy with the results stick with doing your impression of JV. You could video yourself to see what you are doing ala Don. I do this with bowling technique mostly and it illuminates if you are having technical issues.

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