So I had the crazy idea to add the 3, 4, and 5 irons to possibly replace my hybrids. I was struggling terribly with a pull with the hybrids. The 3 iron is 17 degrees, which can replace 2 hybrid and essentially my 3 wood. The 4 iron is 20 degrees which replaces my 3 hybrid, and 5 iron is 23 degrees, replacing my 4 hybrid. These jacked up lofts give me distance, but the irons are forgiving. I have played 2 rounds with these now and see no loss in distance and much more control. These irons might be the real deal, they have me considering tinkering with whole set. For now though, I'll give these a few more rounds.