Shaft Fitting Question

pike51

My buddy is a super high ball flight, high SS player. I've currently got him hitting a Callaway Epic Flash Subzero Triple Diamond 8.5* with M5 Accra FX 3.0 (X-Stiff) shaft. He is absolutely crushing this thing and his ball flight has gotten down to a reasonable level, which was our first issue to address.

My question is if we want to tweak the flight to reduce a fade/slice bias, would I look to increase torque in hopes to get the head to rotate through more quickly? We're good with all his other clubs and we're not trying to move him to a draw or overhaul his swing.

Thanks in advance

colej

pike51

How about just adjusting the face angle?

SMT

pike51 a Callaway Epic Flash Subzero Triple Diamond 8.5* with M5 Accra FX 3.0 (X-Stiff) shaft.

Well, THAT, rolls right off the tongue.

SMT

pike51 How about tennis?

Sneakylong

Yeah, the general consensus is more torque helps the face rotate and square the face as well as improve feel. Like anything in golf nothing is etched in stone though.

If the head has a moveable weight try more in the heel. You could try a more closed face setting as well, but that increases loft. Just need to experiment and see what works.

shokosugi

You could also try changing the driver head as the triple diamond is the most fade biased of the diamond drivers from what I recall and I believe the single diamond heads have some draw bias in them which may help. For me I just tweak how I hold the head at the address position. If I want to hit a straight ball/baby fade I hold the face a bit closed and if I want to hit a power slice or take the left side out of play, I hold the face open slightly. I try my best to hit from the inside but my natural swing is always slightly outside to in 90% of the time. I also mess around with closed/open stance and of course the dreaded double cross comes into play lol. In any case, if your buddy's swing is pretty good as is then maybe he just has to aim down the left and accept his slice for what it is. If he's consistent then he'll be in play more often than not.

Typhoon

SMT How about tennis?

Funny you say that… I had a guy at one of my Fitting/demo days a few weeks ago who was awful. Heeled shots that almost hit the guys next to him, whiffs, tops, balls that went off the planet to the right. He turns to me and says… “this feels nice”… amd buys a $400 3 wood.

My boss says to me later, “ what did you fit THAT guy into?” I said, “ Tennis racket”.

SMT

Typhoon Love that!

So when I first joined the PGA, I had a guy come in for a lesson and as we walked to the range he was talking about how he needed to get outside more, take up a sport and he said that he looked in his closet, saw a bowling ball, a tennis racquet and a couple of golf clubs so... "here I am".

45 minutes later, this guy took maybe 100 swings and only made contact with three golf balls. The longest going about 75 yards but wildly offline.

The lesson is over and he says,,, "So, what do you think?"

I said, how hard is it to get to that tennis racquet?

He wasn't all that amused.

scotts33

Club fitting is easy when you are fitting a decent golfer with a repeatable swing. It gets a lot harder with lessor skilled golfers. What fittings usually entail are a basic set up lesson. I tend to find that all out before I ever met the golfer. Basic fitting pdf's reveal a lot. Less time wasted on my part and there's.

Typhoon

Our fittings don’t afford us or them with the luxury of getting to know them. They are scheduled through a sign up at the golf club and are assigned a half hour time slot.

Walterjn

Typhoon shit, that sounds like speed fittings.

Eguller

Typhoon They are scheduled through a sign up at the golf club and are assigned a half hour time slot.

That is the time frame I am familiar with. Enough for an initial eval & one club fitting - and enough
to encourage a more in-depth fitting later. Does it work out for you or would you prefer longer ?

Typhoon

Eguller Does it work out for you or would you prefer longer ?

It works out fine for one club type. It’s the ones who want to do the whole bag and I tell them,” we have a half hour, whatever is most important we’ll start with. “. Once I get good numbers I don’t try to go longer to find an extra yard or get them into something more expensive. We have a ton of shaft options but really get good results from a small number of shafts that are either no upcharge or a small upcharge.

If they want to do more than one or 2 club types, they can’t expect much

pike51

So just a little update... Saturday morning before our round, I worked with my friend on his setup and forced him slightly open to target. He had been getting more and more closed over the past several weeks to the point where he couldn't swing free. Well, after 4 swings he was making nearly perfect contact and we straightened his alignment out and all was well.

Fast forward to our round and he hit every fairway with the slightest of fades including a drive on our 16th hole that was 302. Just getting his setup corrected has made all the difference. Although I think we could eek out a few more yards, his ball flight was consistent and controllable.

Now, if we can find him a short game, he will be breaking 80 regularly. Baby steps.